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post #4396 of 36844

 As an HD 650 fanboy, I'll fall in line here, gush:

 

The most comfortable and mechanically well-designed cans I've ever owned. I often find myself with them on my ears yet the music had stopped half an hour ago. I was somewhat disappointed with the bass response, but then again, I am only running them through an STX amp at +12 dB (which I must say is a nice card/amp for the gamers) with stock cables. Audio/music sounds great; I leave the EQ off now.

post #4397 of 36844

During the first year of my Head-Fi adventure, I went through quite a collection of good headphones (LCD-2, K-701, HD 650, HD 800, also tried most Beyer models and so on). The resale value holds up so well in this hobby... Anyways, I soon found electrostats and quit posting here for a long time after finally finding my headphone nirvana. 

 

Then at some point I noticed I still craved for a dynamic headphone that´s suitable for mainstream bass heavy music. Stax are ok with such material, but it´s not really their forte. Bass is their weakness. Electrostats, while awesome, just sound too "pure" for some genres I guess. This week I decided to get a small PC rig: Asus STX and once again bought my favourite dynamic headphones, the HD 650. 

 

Well, what can I say... Best dynamic headphone out there, still :) As an overall package I honestly prefer the HD 650 to the HD 800 and LCD-2. Light and the most comfortable headphone ever made, and the best there is for mainstream (often compressed) music. Stax still easily wins with jazz, instrumental, vocals etc though.

 

The Asus STX drives these suprisingly well too. Oh well, feels good to own the legend again!

post #4398 of 36844

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Originally Posted by Satellite_6 View Post

Well that's interesting. The HD 650's are hard to appreciate but amazing headphones. The bass isn't completely amazing IMO but it is very good. Now I'm surprised about the vocal comment though, the HD 650's are crazy good for vocals. 


Listen to "Let's Fall in Love" by Diana Krall, "Grace" by Take 6 (all available high quality on grooveshark.com). None of these sound treble-y at all on either headphone and are actually very mellow midrange-focused songs, but the SRH940 sounds 50-100% better than the HD 650. I'm not sure why though, but I'm starting to think it's due to different coloration more than actual sound quality. I just wish there was a way to test this because all software EQ I've tried introduces clipping and reduces resolution (sounds like quantization issues).

 

Edit: It's definitely due to coloration. The more I listen the more I'm coming back to my HD 650's :). The SRH940's are still better IMO for analytical listening (which is what they were designed for after all), but there's something really appealing about my HD 650's the more I listen to them. I think the 650's are slightly better quality than the 940's when you put aside the coloration, which apparently I'm finding is embarrassingly hard for me until I listen for quite a long time to get used to them :)


Edited by ac500 - 9/13/11 at 11:15pm
post #4399 of 36844

The HD 650 are definately slightly colored I guess. Like the manual says, they were engineered to emphasize being able to "feel the music" instead of analysing it. Personally I feel dynamic headphones (almost all) have issues with treble (at least with a neutral amp) and HD 650 is the only one I´ve heard that doesn´t annoy me at all. A polarising headphone though, I can imagine this sound signature isn´t to everyones taste.

post #4400 of 36844

lol, like my review says they are  an aquired taste - I wonder if anything under $500 actually beats them once you take the time to get used to them. Yes they are colored - love it. 

post #4401 of 36844

I think it was just the recording but I was listening to some jazz and some really high, loud trumpet notes were being played, and there was plenty of audible distortion in the highs. Could the headphones be damaged?  have cranked them to the point where they sounded like they'd blow if I went louder for like 1 second (like 1 mississippi but less) to see how loud they go.

 

At least on the next song it didn't happen, sounded fine.
 

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Originally Posted by vrln View Post

The HD 650 are definately slightly colored I guess. Like the manual says, they were engineered to emphasize being able to "feel the music" instead of analysing it. Personally I feel dynamic headphones (almost all) have issues with treble (at least with a neutral amp) and HD 650 is the only one I´ve heard that doesn´t annoy me at all. A polarising headphone though, I can imagine this sound signature isn´t to everyones taste.



 

post #4402 of 36844

What recording was it? Someone can try to duplicate the problem if they have access to the same recording.

 

If it didn't happen on the next track though, my guess is that the track itself is the problem, probably just mixed too loud or suffering from crummy recording or something. I've noticed that remastered recordings are often louder than they used to be, which can lead to some significant distortion if whoever lorded over the mix didn't do their job right. (I'm looking at you, John Zorn.) Do you have other headphones to test that track out with?
 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I think it was just the recording but I was listening to some jazz and some really high, loud trumpet notes were being played, and there was plenty of audible distortion in the highs. Could the headphones be damaged?  have cranked them to the point where they sounded like they'd blow if I went louder for like 1 second (like 1 mississippi but less) to see how loud they go.

 

At least on the next song it didn't happen, sounded fine.
 



 



 

post #4403 of 36844

Yes, I do have another pair of cans to try the track out with. It sounded fine on my Hifi stereo and a cheap Philips $300 bookshelf stereo though. It is by some underground jazz artist named Mark Pender. It's not a remaster or anything. You can listen to some tracks here (in like 128kbps -_-):

 

http://www.markpenderband.com/mpb/music.asp

 

Track in question is track 2, Say You Love Me, which isn't available for streaming. I will attach the FLAC file of it I have when I get home.

 

Could it be that the CD is pretty scratched up? It is I'll tell you. Plus I was using a tube amp, that I don't particularly like. I can always hear the tube distortion if I look for it. It's a Darkvoice 337.
 

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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post

What recording was it? Someone can try to duplicate the problem if they have access to the same recording.

 

If it didn't happen on the next track though, my guess is that the track itself is the problem, probably just mixed too loud or suffering from crummy recording or something. I've noticed that remastered recordings are often louder than they used to be, which can lead to some significant distortion if whoever lorded over the mix didn't do their job right. (I'm looking at you, John Zorn.) Do you have other headphones to test that track out with?
 



 



 

post #4404 of 36844

Scratches on CDs usually aren't too big of a deal, unless they're fairly deep. Sometimes the scratches can manifest themselves audibly as what can sound something like distortion though, so that is a possibility, though I'd say it's a narrow one. CD-Rs, on the other hand, are pretty fragile and tend to live a fairly short life if you don't treat them very gently and store them correctly.

 

Is the FLAC you've got made from the CD copy, or is it the other way around? Or is it from a totally different source? If the FLAC predates the CD-R copy (assuming it's a CD-R) or is from a different source, then you can just test the FLAC out vs. the CD and be able to catch onto the problem pretty quickly. If it's from the damaged CD itself though, then it's probably not going to do much good.

 

I don't have any experience with vacuum tubes (though I'd like to change that if only my wallet would let me), so I have no idea whether or not tube distortion could intrude violently enough to be painfully noticeable on a track. Does the problem recur in the exact spot every time you listen to the track? How does it sound at various volume levels?
 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

Yes, I do have another pair of cans to try the track out with. It sounded fine on my Hifi stereo and a cheap Philips $300 bookshelf stereo though. It is by some underground jazz artist named Mark Pender. It's not a remaster or anything. You can listen to some tracks here (in like 128kbps -_-):

 

http://www.markpenderband.com/mpb/music.asp

 

Track in question is track 2, Say You Love Me, which isn't available for streaming. I will attach the FLAC file of it I have when I get home.

 

Could it be that the CD is pretty scratched up? It is I'll tell you. Plus I was using a tube amp, that I don't particularly like. I can always hear the tube distortion if I look for it. It's a Darkvoice 337.
 



 



 

post #4405 of 36844

I am just playing it straight off the CD from my laptop CD drive through a usb DAC, same with when I played it on my hifi stereo when I mentioned the distortion wasn't there. I just ripped to FLAC and it's still distorted. It sounds less distorted in MediaMonkey than foobar2000 for some reason though, hmm...

 

In Track 01 it only distorts a little in a trumpet solo around 2:50 and goes on for a bit. Compare Track 02 to this. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WHKLNL6V)

 

Track 02, the track in question, it distorts at his very loud singing starting at 0:45 and on when he sings really loud like STAYY WITH MEE, you'll know what I mean. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VYYE48A5)

 

Also, at the singing solo in 3:30 in this track, there is a slight buzz that I can't tell if it's part of the electronic beat in the background or not. Don't Forget To Tip Your Bartender by Alex Niedt at alexniedt.bandcamp.com

(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NG1FST7K)
 

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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post

Scratches on CDs usually aren't too big of a deal, unless they're fairly deep. Sometimes the scratches can manifest themselves audibly as what can sound something like distortion though, so that is a possibility, though I'd say it's a narrow one. CD-Rs, on the other hand, are pretty fragile and tend to live a fairly short life if you don't treat them very gently and store them correctly.

 

Is the FLAC you've got made from the CD copy, or is it the other way around? Or is it from a totally different source? If the FLAC predates the CD-R copy (assuming it's a CD-R) or is from a different source, then you can just test the FLAC out vs. the CD and be able to catch onto the problem pretty quickly. If it's from the damaged CD itself though, then it's probably not going to do much good.

 

I don't have any experience with vacuum tubes (though I'd like to change that if only my wallet would let me), so I have no idea whether or not tube distortion could intrude violently enough to be painfully noticeable on a track. Does the problem recur in the exact spot every time you listen to the track? How does it sound at various volume levels?
 



 



 

post #4406 of 36844

I'm surprised to see HD650 still have TONS of fans although numerous new comers, flashy, mega expensive new headphones has been created.

 

Bravo HD650!

post #4407 of 36844

yup, mine sold in a matter of minutes here in the classifieds. and for only 45 bucks less than i bought them for 8 months earlier.  
 

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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

I'm surprised to see HD650 still have TONS of fans although numerous new comers, flashy, mega expensive new headphones has been created.

 

Bravo HD650!



 

 

post #4408 of 36844


I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary on my work computer's speakers, but that's not saying much, given that they're not exactly hi-fi. Still, I cranked them up pretty loud (and they do get quite loud) and didn't hear any distortion--everything was still coming through clear. I'll be able to give it a better listen tonight though. On HD650s, no less. In the meanwhile, if someone else wants to give it a go, since I won't be home for another three hours, go for it. :-)

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I am just playing it straight off the CD from my laptop CD drive through a usb DAC, same with when I played it on my hifi stereo when I mentioned the distortion wasn't there. I just ripped to FLAC and it's still distorted. It sounds less distorted in MediaMonkey than foobar2000 for some reason though, hmm...

 

In Track 01 it only distorts a little in a trumpet solo around 2:50 and goes on for a bit. Compare Track 02 to this. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WHKLNL6V)

 

Track 02, the track in question, it distorts at his very loud singing starting at 0:45 and on when he sings really loud like STAYY WITH MEE, you'll know what I mean. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VYYE48A5)

 

Also, at the singing solo in 3:30 in this track, there is a slight buzz that I can't tell if it's part of the electronic beat in the background or not. Don't Forget To Tip Your Bartender by Alex Niedt at alexniedt.bandcamp.com

(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NG1FST7K)
 


 

 

post #4409 of 36844

Hmm, yeah not saying much but it seems that if there even is distortion, it would be even worse on crappy cranked up speakers, dontcha think? Thanks for the favor!!!
 

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Originally Posted by metalsonata View Post


I didn't hear anything out of the ordinary on my work computer's speakers, but that's not saying much, given that they're not exactly hi-fi. Still, I cranked them up pretty loud (and they do get quite loud) and didn't hear any distortion--everything was still coming through clear. I'll be able to give it a better listen tonight though. On HD650s, no less. In the meanwhile, if someone else wants to give it a go, since I won't be home for another three hours, go for it. :-)

 



 

post #4410 of 36844

I listend to the trumped solo on my HD 650's and it sounded fine to me (quite ear piercing though).

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