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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I don't find the 650s very comfortable. I can always tell they are there because of their fit, no matter how I adjust them.



See, I like the fit tight like that. It could be due to the fact that I do most of my listening laying down, so the more secure a headphone is on my head, the more comfortable it is because it's not falling off the back. 

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I recently replaced the HD650 foams with traces of speaker grill clothes and I really like the way the bass got tight, without losing deep and retaining the HD650's signature. YMMV.


 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

I don't know then, maybe part of what I'm hearing is due to the emphasized deep bass smothering a little but of the other tones, in which case turning up the volume would allow me to hear the upper tones some more. The point is I definitely hear more detail in the bass of the SRH940.

 

Anyway... I still like my 650's, even in addition to their comfort. For movies and some songs with harsh treble, the 940s can be harsh on my ears. The HD 650 always sounds good with anything, it seems - especially nice just for relaxing movies or something where I'm not interested in listening critically. 



 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

That would imply that the lower frequencies on their own are harder to drive than the rest of the spectrum (right?)

 

I've never heard anyone report bass being tighter and more refined on HD650s after they switched to the Lyr.

 

Jon? 

 

That's how I read that graph as well. Although it shows the HD650 as more demanding at those frequency summits, I still believe the NFB-12 would be adequately portraying the bass capabilities of the HD650.

 

The difference between the Fun (which from all accounts has the same power supply as the NFB-12) and the nuclear power plant that is the Lyr, isn't so much the bass response but the less subtle improvements in separation and imaging. Although the Lyr kicks like a mule and undoubtedly has better impact, the bass when switching back to the Fun's discrete solid state amp actually seems more transparent and balanced. The bass may seem to not reach as deep, but it's snappier and to some may actually come across as more refined.

 

For me, if the HD650 was my only headphone and I had no intention of exploring planars, the entry level Audio-GD is where I'd draw the line.

 

You've heard some uber rigs sphinx. What's your take on this (particularly when considering only the HD650 and the improvements that may be gained when going beyond the Audio-GD entry level)?

 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

I don't know then, maybe part of what I'm hearing is due to the emphasized deep bass smothering a little but of the other tones, in which case turning up the volume would allow me to hear the upper tones some more. The point is I definitely hear more detail in the bass of the SRH940.

 

Anyway... I still like my 650's, even in addition to their comfort. For movies and some songs with harsh treble, the 940s can be harsh on my ears. The HD 650 always sounds good with anything, it seems - especially nice just for relaxing movies or something where I'm not interested in listening critically. 



I've not heard the SRH940, so I'm merely speculating here. Perhaps being a closed headphone, as well as the peaks from 8khz onwards providing a counterweight to the lower frequencies, explains what you perceive as "better" bass on the Shure.


Edited by olor1n - 9/10/11 at 7:39pm
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This kind of reflect the opinion of Mike from Headfonia regarding the Lyr. Everyone rave about it because of the power output but that's obvious that power is not all you need for a refine sound.
 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post



 

That's how I read that graph as well. Although it shows the HD650 as more demanding at those frequency summits, I still believe the NFB-12 would be adequately portraying the bass capabilities of the HD650.

 

The difference between the Fun (which from all accounts has the same power supply as the NFB-12) and the nuclear power plant that is the Lyr, isn't so much the bass response but the less subtle improvements in separation and imaging. Although the Lyr kicks like a mule and undoubtedly has better impact, the bass when switching back to the Fun's discrete solid state amp actually seems more transparent and balanced. The bass may seem to not reach as deep, but it's snappier and to some may actually come across as more refined.

 

For me, if the HD650 was my only headphone and I had no intention of exploring planars, the entry level Audio-GD is where I'd draw the line.

 

You've heard some uber rigs sphinx. What's your take on this (particularly when considering only the HD650 and the improvements that may be gained when going beyond the Audio-GD entry level)?

 



I've not heard the SRH940, so I'm merely speculating here. Perhaps being a closed headphone, as well as the peaks from 8khz onwards providing a counterweight to the lower frequencies, explains what you perceive as "better" bass on the Shure.



 

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My post was specifically relating to the HD650 btw. When you throw the LCD-2 into the mix the Lyr really starts to distinguish itself.

 

Also, I don't think Headfonia's assessment of the Lyr is truly reflective of its capabilities. From memory it was a comparison against Schiit's other amps and the Lyr was tested using the stock (at the time) JJ tubes. Anyone who has ever heard the Lyr will tell you these tubes do not flatter the Lyr at all. This is indisputable. wink.gif


Edited by olor1n - 9/10/11 at 8:13pm
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I'll probably try messing around with the equalizer to make the 650 sound like the SRH940 and see what happens. I'm not sure why the bass sounds better. I think the detail on the 650 isn't lacking, but it's much more subtle. The bass detail is there, it's just not as forward for some reason. Anyway, both are incredible headphones and I'll likely be keeping both (unless something like the HE-300 turns out to be "better" than the HD650 - but "better" is a complex word around here :) ).

 

> See, I like the fit tight like that. It could be due to the fact that I do most of my listening laying down, so the more secure a headphone is on my head, the more comfortable it is because it's not falling off the back. 

 

Exactly. I listen to things while laying down as well as sitting upright. I love how the 650 fits like a glove, but comfortably.

 

I don't understand why people say it's uncomfortable. The only thing that touches you in addition to the headband is the velvet earpads, and they don't even touch any part of my ear! I personally really dislike headbands that push down hard on your head because not only is it uncomfortable, but it makes your hair look weird when wearing for a long time :). I like how I can adjust the 650 so the headband only barely brushes my hair with very little pressure.


Edited by ac500 - 9/10/11 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by logwed View Post





See, I like the fit tight like that. It could be due to the fact that I do most of my listening laying down, so the more secure a headphone is on my head, the more comfortable it is because it's not falling off the back. 

I listen while laying down too, and usually the headphones are resting on the pillow along with my head, telling me that they are there. When I lay back in a lounge chair or recliner I get the same effect.
 

 



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> See, I like the fit tight like that. It could be due to the fact that I do most of my listening laying down, so the more secure a headphone is on my head, the more comfortable it is because it's not falling off the back. 

 

Exactly. I listen to things while laying down as well as sitting upright. I love how the 650 fits like a glove, but comfortably.

 

I don't understand why people say it's uncomfortable. The only thing that touches you in addition to the headband is the velvet earpads, and they don't even touch any part of my ear! I personally really dislike headbands that push down hard on your head because not only is it uncomfortable, but it makes your hair look weird when wearing for a long time :). I like how I can adjust the 650 so the headband only barely brushes my hair with very little pressure.


But the earpads are very solid, and I can definitely feel them, and the tight fit just never gives me that sense of reality with the music. With my $80 IEMs and even my Beyers sometimes, after maybe 30min (15 for my IEMs) I can no longer tell that they are there unless I think about it. The 650s just don't do that. Anyone know of some good replacement pads for the 650s?

 

 

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I experienced this for a while, it was so tight i was getting headaches from wearing them.  I extended the headphones as far as they could go and just bend the metal back and forth a few times and now it barley feels like they are on my head.
 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

I don't find the 650s very comfortable. I can always tell they are there because of their fit, no matter how I adjust them.



 

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So I just purchased a pair of new HD 650 from electronicsexpo and realized afterwards that there are 2 version. The current version came out in 2007 so hopefully mine is the new version, but are there any other ways of telling them apart? I saw someone posted comparison pictures but all the old HD 650 pictures were expired or something so they weren't present...

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I believe the new ones have a more silver looking oval that reflects that you can see from the back of the phone through the screen. That's the new one. If you see nothing, or even if you can see the black, the black one is the old one. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, everyone.
 

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Originally Posted by xenochimera View Post

So I just purchased a pair of new HD 650 from electronicsexpo and realized afterwards that there are 2 version. The current version came out in 2007 so hopefully mine is the new version, but are there any other ways of telling them apart? I saw someone posted comparison pictures but all the old HD 650 pictures were expired or something so they weren't present...



 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

That's how I read that graph as well. Although it shows the HD650 as more demanding at those frequency summits, I still believe the NFB-12 would be adequately portraying the bass capabilities of the HD650.

 

The difference between the Fun (which from all accounts has the same power supply as the NFB-12) and the nuclear power plant that is the Lyr, isn't so much the bass response but the less subtle improvements in separation and imaging. Although the Lyr kicks like a mule and undoubtedly has better impact, the bass when switching back to the Fun's discrete solid state amp actually seems more transparent and balanced. The bass may seem to not reach as deep, but it's snappier and to some may actually come across as more refined.

 

For me, if the HD650 was my only headphone and I had no intention of exploring planars, the entry level Audio-GD is where I'd draw the line.

 

You've heard some uber rigs sphinx. What's your take on this (particularly when considering only the HD650 and the improvements that may be gained when going beyond the Audio-GD entry level)?


I draw the line (for the 650s) around where you do.  The NFB-12 might be capable of driving the 650s with adequate power, but it won't maximize the soundstage and separation potential of the cans.  The FUN did that for me, and it matched the capabilities of a Meier StageDAC/Concerto.  On the highest end rigs I'm yet to hear the fabled scalability of the 650s.  It always manages to elude me.  Instead the cans seem to plateau around where the FUN put it.  

 

I'm still yet to hear one balanced, which purportedly vaults them up to another level--so if I had a pair I would probably buy an NFB-10WM and call it a day.  No higher.  

 

AC500, IME, brighter phones tend to roll of deep sub-bass and have more mid-bass presence which can make them sound like it's slamming tighter.  And then the HD650s are voiced slightly laid back, so it will be tough if not impossible to EQ for that.

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It's hard and ultimately pointless to compare the HD650 to the SRH-940 because their signatures are totally different. Anyway after careful listening the HD650 does seem to have more articulate sub-bass and bass. I don't know how to explain it though but the SRH-940 bass still seems more "punchy" but I don't know if I'm using the right terminology (it's like you can more feel the bass pressure - maybe because they're closed headphones?).


Edited by ac500 - 9/11/11 at 5:45pm
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Sorry to spam this thread, but after a lot more listening it's become more apparent that the HD 650 is not lacking in quality in any way vs. the Shure 940, it's just not highly detailed in the sense that the 940 pushes the details forward. I think the best I can explain it is: Listening to the SRH-940 feels like I'm sitting 5 feet infront of the performer. The HD 650 feels like I'm sitting 15-50 feet back.

 

The 650 is interesting... the detail and precision is there, it's just not "in your face". The SRH940 is nice for critical listening because it brings the details out, while the HD 650 has a refined, subtle detail and elegance to it. And it has much better sub-bass, actually. Anyway I'm definitely going to keep my HD 650's even if I do get another open headphone that's more analytical :). Also, it's amazing how the 650 brings out the best qualities in a lot of music, stuff that sounds terrible on the SRH940. The 940 is still better IMO for some things like female vocals, but the 650 isn't bad either (and I wonder if I got a really good equalizer if it wouldn't be able to do everything - it's just that all software equalizers I try reduce the sound quality when enabled).

 


Edited by ac500 - 9/12/11 at 9:58pm
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Well that's interesting. The HD 650's are hard to appreciate but amazing headphones. The bass isn't completely amazing IMO but it is very good. Now I'm surprised about the vocal comment though, the HD 650's are crazy good for vocals. 

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I replaced my HD650's (and HeadRoom amp/DAC) with the TMA-1's and I'm not missing them. I loved the HD650's but these TMA-1's sound so similar. They are better in some ways and very close in others. The TMA-1's are amazing phone in their own right. 

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