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That's true in many cases, while others not so much.  Take the Burson HA-160D for instance, an exceptional amp and DAC combo.

 


I would say that would have been the case perhaps 3-4 years ago when I first started, but not so now in recent years. Do a search and you'll find a handful of DAC/AMP combos that have glowing reviews. Most new production DAC/AMP combo units offer a lot more bang for their buck due to the competition that has rolled out. 

 

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Originally Posted by Digital-Pride View Post

That's true in many cases, while others not so much.  Take the Burson HA-160D for instance, an exceptional amp and DAC combo.
 
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The Centrance DACmini DAC/AMP is not to shabby neither. wink_face.gif
 
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The Icon HDP isn't too shabby. cool.gif

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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post

I would say that would have been the case perhaps 3-4 years ago when I first started, but not so now in recent years. Do a search and you'll find a handful of DAC/AMP combos that have glowing reviews. Most new production DAC/AMP combo units offer a lot more bang for their buck due to the competition that has rolled out. 
 


And we believe those reviews because.................................  evil_smiley.gif

 

a - you read it in a magazine that accepts advertisements for revenue

b - you read it in an online forum that accepts advertisements for revenue

c - you read it in a review where the reviewer was "given" the product for review

d - you read it in a review by an independent reviewer who measured all the parameters on his O-scope and reported the results even though they didn't always agree with the manufacturer's published specs

e - you read it on the internet and somewhere near the review was an add or a link to the product

f - you read it in a review, but you're unsure of the relationship of the reviewer to the manufacturer

h - you consider subjective reviews to be accurate

i - Alan Freed never took payola

j - Charles Van Doren was never given the questions in advance

 

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You forgot option k - You own it and it's the best sound you ever heard from all the previously owned hardware.

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And we believe those reviews because.................................  evil_smiley.gif

 

a - you read it in a magazine that accepts advertisements for revenue

b - you read it in an online forum that accepts advertisements for revenue

c - you read it in a review where the reviewer was "given" the product for review

d - you read it in a review by an independent reviewer who measured all the parameters on his O-scope and reported the results even though they didn't always agree with the manufacturer's published specs

e - you read it on the internet and somewhere near the review was an add or a link to the product

f - you read it in a review, but you're unsure of the relationship of the reviewer to the manufacturer

h - you consider subjective reviews to be accurate

i - Alan Freed never took payola

j - Charles Van Doren was never given the questions in advance

 



 

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Nope, because I own one of those units with glowing reviews, the Audio-GD NFB-10ES. I also own other Audio-GD gear and can attest that they have outstanding performance for their dollar.

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Hmm. I have a question. I just got a Shure SRH-940 for closed headphones, and as far as I can tell on my NFB-12, the SRH-940's mids (and even bass) are much more detailed, clearer, and resolving than my HD 650. I didn't want this to be true at first because my 650 is so much more comfortable, but I can't deny what I'm hearing.

 

My question is, could it be that my HD 650 is improperly amped? I've heard that without proper amplification the HD 650 sounds a bit more muddy and veiled. And, if so, what amp(s) would you recommend that are known to be excellent with the HD 650? 

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Hmm. I have a question. I just got a Shure SRH-940 for closed headphones, and as far as I can tell on my NFB-12, the SRH-940's mids (and even bass) are much more detailed, clearer, and resolving than my HD 650. I didn't want this to be true at first because my 650 is so much more comfortable, but I can't deny what I'm hearing.

 

My question is, could it be that my HD 650 is improperly amped? I've heard that without proper amplification the HD 650 sounds a bit more muddy and veiled. And, if so, what amp(s) would you recommend that are known to be excellent with the HD 650? 



I think must go for Tube Amp with min USD > 800. It will produce you so called 3D soundstage. ^.^

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Hmm. I have a question. I just got a Shure SRH-940 for closed headphones, and as far as I can tell on my NFB-12, the SRH-940's mids (and even bass) are much more detailed, clearer, and resolving than my HD 650. I didn't want this to be true at first because my 650 is so much more comfortable, but I can't deny what I'm hearing.

 

My question is, could it be that my HD 650 is improperly amped? I've heard that without proper amplification the HD 650 sounds a bit more muddy and veiled. And, if so, what amp(s) would you recommend that are known to be excellent with the HD 650? 


I haven't used or heard NFB-12, but according to the specs (300mW/300 ohm with 2 Ohm output resistance) seems proper amplification. There is also a NFB-12 forum:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/524263/audio-gd-nfb-12

you may check out.

 

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Yeah it's sufficient I know. Hmm. The thing is I really love Sennheiser's design for the 600/650 - the comfort is absolutely perfect. But the more I'm listening to the SRH-940's, the more I find it difficult to deny that they're better across the entire spectrum - from bass, to mids, to highs. It's astonishing. In a way, I don't want it to be true (because they're less comfortable), but I can't deny what I'm hearing.

 

So I guess I'm just trying to find an "excuse" as to why the 650 isn't better. On the NFB-12 thread they've said it's amp is a bit weak overall, but technically sufficient to specifications. A more expensive amp would do the 650 more justice, but I don't know what the difference would sound like. 

 

The 650's aren't necessarily in danger (except maybe to 600's if it turns out I prefer those) because they'll always be my comfort / smooth music headphones :)


Edited by ac500 - 9/9/11 at 1:45am
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If the NFB-12 is anything like the Fun, it should give you a very good sense of what the HD650 is capable of. Contrary to popular belief the HD650 is quite resolving imo. Don't confuse more pronounced treble with added detail. Perhaps you just prefer a brighter presentation?

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I thought the NFB-12 had a weaker amp than the Fun? 

 

Anyway I thought the perceived detail might have been an illusion due to the SRH-940 being brighter, but just recently I seem to have ruled that out. I was watching/listening to a scene in Tron for example (1:13:50), where there was a thumping bass in the background (each beat sounded like a fast electronic sound transition from a low mid tone to a deep bass tone - there was no treble involved), I was surprised at how clear it sounded. I switched to my HD 650's, and the beat sounded like a muddy thump in comparison. Back again to the SRH-940's, and the thump was crystal clear and deeper.

 

I suppose it could be due to different coloration but I'm not sure how more treble would cause this.


Edited by ac500 - 9/9/11 at 2:51am
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Uh oh, is that another converter to Team Shure I see?biggrin.gif  Fret not, what you're hearing is the highly resolving capability of the SRH940.  The HD650 are quite resolving a well, though with its thicker, laid back nature musical details don't quite jump out at the listener as much the brighter SRH940, but rest assured they are there.smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by YoengJyh View Post





I think must go for Tube Amp with min USD > 800. It will produce you so called 3D soundstage. ^.^



Please don't make generic statements like this, otherwise I will be forced to start selling those little Bravo amps for $800 on eBay to collect the business of fools. 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Hmm. I have a question. I just got a Shure SRH-940 for closed headphones, and as far as I can tell on my NFB-12, the SRH-940's mids (and even bass) are much more detailed, clearer, and resolving than my HD 650. I didn't want this to be true at first because my 650 is so much more comfortable, but I can't deny what I'm hearing.

 

My question is, could it be that my HD 650 is improperly amped? I've heard that without proper amplification the HD 650 sounds a bit more muddy and veiled. And, if so, what amp(s) would you recommend that are known to be excellent with the HD 650? 



It's probably the case of not hearing other phones to compare with at first, so you felt like it sounded normal. So after now hearing the SRH940, your HD650 sounds muddy/veiled. Or it could be that the SRH940 does sound better, I haven't heard it myself so can't say. It sometimes depends on the recording too. If the recording has good spatial, air, it won't sound veiled with the HD650 with good single-ended amp. I still think HD650 is best heard balanced, imo, ymmv.


Edited by SemiAudiophile - 9/9/11 at 10:21am
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I have both headphone and enjoy both of them. Like it was said they have two distinct sound signature one being more forward, bright and detail and the other more laid back, darker and detail too. Both are MID centric thought. But I would say that the Shure SRH940 does go deeper in the music detail. 

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