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post #406 of 36831
Sorry if this has been established already, but to those who have tried to A/B the new vs. old 600/650s:

Did you do any sort of blind/double blind testing? Because if you didn't, your results are still likely to have been influenced by your expectations and therefore would be pretty irrelevant.

Not trying to sound like an ass, I'm just curious. I'm in the market for some new Senns, and if the "new" version actually is a bit less dark I'll be much more likely to pull the proverbial trigger on the 650s. But as it is I'm inclined towards chalking this all up to placebo effect and observer bias. No offense, again.
post #407 of 36831

Absolutely!

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Originally Posted by parhelictriangle View Post
Sorry if this has been established already, but to those who have tried to A/B the new vs. old 600/650s:

Did you do any sort of blind/double blind testing? Because if you didn't, your results are still likely to have been influenced by your expectations and therefore would be pretty irrelevant.

Not trying to sound like an ass, I'm just curious. I'm in the market for some new Senns, and if the "new" version actually is a bit less dark I'll be much more likely to pull the proverbial trigger on the 650s. But as it is I'm inclined towards chalking this all up to placebo effect and observer bias. No offense, again.
Absolutely...

Just "pull the trigger" - you'll be amazed and pleased! They're a whole different set of phones than the "old" version.

Though... it's always good to get them from a vendor who has a return policy - B&H Photo has good prices and a return policy... and you get a $50 rebate to boot!

Just do it!
post #408 of 36831
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Originally Posted by parhelictriangle View Post
Sorry if this has been established already, but to those who have tried to A/B the new vs. old 600/650s:

Did you do any sort of blind/double blind testing? Because if you didn't, your results are still likely to have been influenced by your expectations and therefore would be pretty irrelevant.

Not trying to sound like an ass, I'm just curious. I'm in the market for some new Senns, and if the "new" version actually is a bit less dark I'll be much more likely to pull the proverbial trigger on the 650s. But as it is I'm inclined towards chalking this all up to placebo effect and observer bias. No offense, again.
There is just one person, AFAIK, who did A/B and heard clear and striking difference - Patu http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/hd650-hd600-317321/.
Kees http://www.head-fi.org/forums/4114355-post5.html didn't find it as striking that cannot be explained by just age, not sure if he tried to swap pads as harder new pads do make Senns sound "snappier".
I would love to see more posts from people who in fact performed proper A/B test on the same equipment with pads and cable swapping.
post #409 of 36831

Can't Be...

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Originally Posted by jmht View Post
Naw, I think it depends on what you define as neutral. I'd define neutral more towards the "brighter shimmery sound".

Of course, veil could just be a poor choice of words on my part. What I mean is that it's darker/warmer than all my other headphones.....but once again, I don't really notice it unless I'm A/B'ing them.
They can't be darker and warmer than your other phones, they're all Senns. And it can't be your amps either.

If they are... then something is very "wrong," or different between your's and mine... if... you've got the "new" version.

The "old" version very definitely had a "veil," they were dark, warm, slow, muddy, and didn't have a lot of detail compared to Grados, ATHs, Denons, etc... or... even the HD580/600s.

My "new" version of both the HD580/600s and the HD650s are virtually as fast, bright and detailed as my Grados, and sound a lot like my AD2000s and D5000s - in other words... they're superb!

Something is very definitely amiss... and... I don't think it can just be tweaks (i.e. tubes, cables, fuses, etc.).
post #410 of 36831

As You Upgrade...

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Originally Posted by inthecup View Post
The big brown truck has come and gone, don't know about new or old, veil or no veil, I do know about a BIG smile, I just love my 650s so far, I don't think I'll ever get rid of my 225s but I already feel that the 650s will get much more head time, the comfort is like heaven compared to my Grados, the sound very different, now I know what everyone says about them being so smooth and sweet. I'm using my laptop and boa with them, maybe not the best source and amp but we all know Christmas is coming........
As you upgrade you'll begin to wonder why you need the SR225's - which are great phones themselves.

Maybe you'll keep the SR225s for transportable phones - but, I don't think you're going to think you need them anymore, after your upgrades.
post #411 of 36831
Hey guys 2 questions:

1) If I get the HD650's from B&H Photo will they be the "new" version or the "old" version?

2) With the $50 rebate, don't you have to send in a pair of HD600 or HD650 to get the rebate in the first place?

Cheers
post #412 of 36831
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Originally Posted by andru View Post
Hey guys 2 questions:

1) If I get the HD650's from B&H Photo will they be the "new" version or the "old" version?

2) With the $50 rebate, don't you have to send in a pair of HD600 or HD650 to get the rebate in the first place?

Cheers
Wow 4 years before your 1st post? hehe.

#2: Any headphone will suffice, even earbuds I hear.
post #413 of 36831
check out ebay...a couple used deals are up
post #414 of 36831
Quote:
Originally Posted by andru View Post
Hey guys 2 questions:

1) If I get the HD650's from B&H Photo will they be the "new" version or the "old" version?

2) With the $50 rebate, don't you have to send in a pair of HD600 or HD650 to get the rebate in the first place?

Cheers
I sent in a pair of old iBuds I got with my iPod, good deal.
post #415 of 36831

Their "New" Version...

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Originally Posted by andru View Post
Hey guys 2 questions:

1) If I get the HD650's from B&H Photo will they be the "new" version or the "old" version?

2) With the $50 rebate, don't you have to send in a pair of HD600 or HD650 to get the rebate in the first place?

Cheers
Their the "new" version - I just got a pair from them.

No... just send in any headphones you can find - I'm just going to use an old pair of ear buds from a Sony Walkman.
post #416 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
Their the "new" version - I just got a pair from them.

No... just send in any headphones you can find - I'm just going to use an old pair of ear buds from a Sony Walkman.

Man.....you're tempting me to just pick up a HD600 for fun to compare aren't you......
post #417 of 36831
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Originally Posted by parhelictriangle View Post
Did you do any sort of blind/double blind testing? Because if you didn't, your results are still likely to have been influenced by your expectations and therefore would be pretty irrelevant.
Why would I have any expectations about the sound of new and old HD650? I didn't even know about their differences before we decided to make a little comparison between our aftermarket cables. We were comparing two different Enigma Audio The Oracle to ApureSound V3 and extremely surprised when the difference was so dramatic. So we decided to change the APSV3 to my headphones and Enigma Audio to my friends headphones to make sure that the difference was about the cables. But no, still the difference was just like it was before, my friend's pair (newer one) sounded better and very different. So the cables had very little influence on the sound. Though I wasn't that surprised about the cables being so similar sounding.Their counstruction should be quite similar (at least materials used) and they're both very appreciated aftermarket cables.
post #418 of 36831
only had mine two days with only an hour or twos use under there belt but straight out the box they are sounding pretty good without an amp.

now i need to get them run in and buy a decent amp and they should start really singing
post #419 of 36831
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Originally Posted by arcam_boy View Post
only had mine two days with only an hour or twos use under there belt but straight out the box they are sounding pretty good without an amp.

now i need to get them run in and buy a decent amp and they should start really singing
You are in for a treat. They are great headphones, especially when paired with a good amp and source.

oh and welcome to head-fi, sorry about your wallet!
post #420 of 36831
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Originally Posted by arcam_boy View Post
only had mine two days with only an hour or twos use under there belt but straight out the box they are sounding pretty good without an amp.

now i need to get them run in and buy a decent amp and they should start really singing
Got mine last night, I'm using a D2 boa and lossless files out of my laptop and they sound great. I sure would like to hear them with a Darkvoice 332, it seems to be the amp of choice.
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