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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Yep. Gear in my sig. Note that I find the opamp in my dac, tubes in the Lyr, BJC rca cables, Furutech usb and Molecule cable for the HD650 to have significant effect on synergy... imho, fwiw, ymmv, etc..



nice! great price for everything too. i just couldnt get into the lyr... of course at that time i didnt have the hd650 though.

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Yeah, I'm by no means advocating the Lyr is the be all and end all (synergy isn't as good for my preference with the LCD-2). Its best feature for me is that tubes have a huge bearing on what's heard, and issues may be addressed by rolling different tubes.

 

No doubt some may read this and frown upon my choice of tubes but I again stress the importance of other components in the chain. What works for me according to my taste, may not work for you.


Edited by olor1n - 8/5/11 at 9:36pm
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well if it works for you, who cares what others say. i really wanted to like the lyr... who knows... maybe someday ill give it a go again.

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My 650s sound like the Radioshack/Koss Titanium headphones for about $40 at RadioShack for some strange reason. They get the detail of the plucking of the strings in rock, but not necessarily the vocal clarity. Part of it is porobably that they sound more forward than the 650s, and apparently I like everything about the 650s except the part where they sound so far away and laid back. Could it be that the rock music I tested with was itunes stuff? The FiiO E7 amp? I hope they begin to sound significantly better with my DV 337 once I have a DAC to put behind it redface.gif

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

My 650s sound like the Radioshack/Koss Titanium headphones for about $40 at RadioShack for some strange reason. They get the detail of the plucking of the strings in rock, but not necessarily the vocal clarity. Part of it is porobably that they sound more forward than the 650s, and apparently I like everything about the 650s except the part where they sound so far away and laid back. Could it be that the rock music I tested with was itunes stuff? The FiiO E7 amp? I hope they begin to sound significantly better with my DV 337 once I have a DAC to put behind it redface.gif

It is the amp, no doubt about it since I had the same feelings at first. When properly amped 650s sound full and dense with the soundstage close to the center of the head, the sound becomes more material and stronger with a weight added to it, if that made sense. Let me put it this way since I have the HD 25-1 as well and maybe you do too, when properly amped HD 650s sound close to HD 25-1, but even better and more musical, more realistic, more refined. I cannot get the same effect from 595s, they do not change vastly with amping while 650s do. 

 


Edited by Guest5 - 8/5/11 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

My 650s sound like the Radioshack/Koss Titanium headphones for about $40 at RadioShack for some strange reason. They get the detail of the plucking of the strings in rock, but not necessarily the vocal clarity. Part of it is porobably that they sound more forward than the 650s, and apparently I like everything about the 650s except the part where they sound so far away and laid back. Could it be that the rock music I tested with was itunes stuff? The FiiO E7 amp? I hope they begin to sound significantly better with my DV 337 once I have a DAC to put behind it redface.gif


How is your rig setup? Unless they've updated the hardware since I owned it, the E7 does not have a line level out. I assume you're going one of the headphone outputs into the DV? That's not ideal as you're using the FiiO's crappy amp section and double amping with the DV. I hope you're at least using usb into the E7. If you're just sending the signal to it via the 3.5mm input, you're not utilising it as a dac. If you're going headphone out of your computer into the line in on the E7 and then headphone out of that into the DV you're effectively using your computer's crappy dac, and amplifying a less than ideal signal threefold.

 

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About the bass of 650. I see sometimes people saying 650 has not enough bass. I also have a very good vintage Snell Acoustics speakers paired with an exquisite amp and judging on the speakers I can say that HD 650s have a lot! of quality bass, and also fast, depending on the music. I have never heard a headphone that has the 650s immense bass when it is recorded there. HD 25-1 bass is good, the impact is nice, but 650s have a deeper fuller bass in the extension sense, it goes deep and doesn't feel dumbed, it goes open into the air. HD 650s are the only heapdhones that I have heard that have such a sweet deep articulated bass, articulated in the sense focused. If your 650s don't have it you need a better amp.  I am saying that because I have been skeptic towards amps, although my belief may be true for some headphones, but for 650s a tube amp makes all the difference in the world as I experienced it, somewhat muddy bass becomes suddenly focused and controlled, multi-structured if you like.

  Mids are easy pouring and even liquid, there could be some veil to 650s sound as it can seem sometimes like your underwater, or in tank, or something, but still strangely it sounds amazingly realistic and textured like you have your fingers put on the music, but most interestingly they sound musical, music sticks to you easily, unlike AKGs that just "show you" the sound. Some articles say that devices like Audiotrak dr.dac2 can drive hd 650s, but they are so wrong to me because to me 650s through dr.dac 2 sounds just like your usual high quality headphone, a bit distant and weak, un-expressive, still clean, kind of. 

    


Edited by Guest5 - 8/6/11 at 3:43am
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If you want more bass, you should go balanced.  

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Just recieved my "used" HD650's today. These things are SPOTLESS! If I didn't know they were used, I never would have guessed it.

 

MINE!

 

The previous owner had them for 2 months and estimates a total of 20 hours on them. Judging by their condition, I'm pretty **** sure he's right, if it's even that much. I'm sorta in between amps right now, but the Little Dot Mk III loaner on my desk is doing a good job. And if you guys want loooow rumbling bas, check this out:

 

And by "check this out" I mean "Dig up this tune in better quality somewhere". Lots of low, rumbling bass throughout, but pay special attention just after 5:20 wink.gif

 

Any recomendations for a balancend amp for the HD650?


Edited by Sorensiim - 8/6/11 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by Coolsax View Post

Well if you click link on the name they say they are Dakmart and an authorized dealer for Sennheiser, they do have a 97% rating on amazon as well, and i've done enough outside the box internet transactions that i feel relatively confident in them.  But i definitely understand some of y'alls concerns.  I'll keep you posted on how it turns out. 


Well I got my HD650's yesterday and everything seems to be on the up and up and i was very impressed with what I received.  While the condition on Amazon was stated as used-like new, i got a completely new unopened set of HD650s  the outer box was a little beat up and not sealed, though I'm not sure if it normally is or not, and not in mint condition but when i pulled out the inner storage box it was perfect and sealed, when opened it up it looked liked it had never been touch.. very impressed with what I got for the price.  I'm pretty sure I believe the amazon description that Dahmat and Dakmart are one in the same which would make these from an authorized dealer... the return label on the ups box stated Shipping dept 1048 NW 3rd st Hallandale FL and if you go to Dakmart's website it states their contact address is 1052 NW 3rd st Hallandale.  I have a hard time believing that that a "phony" authorized seller would try and office one door down.  I also sent an email to the www.dakmart.com website and await a reply from them as well.  either way.. i'm quite happy with the purchase.. these sound great, smoother than my AD700s so far on the fiio E9 and hope to get them on an Asgard by the end of the year. 

 

***edit***I received an email from the Dakmart website confirming that they are Dahmart on amazon b/c Dakmart had already been taken... brand new essentially from an authorized dealer.. can't do better

 

 

 


Edited by Coolsax - 8/6/11 at 1:39pm
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I used Ray Samuels Audio The Protector to drive HD650 in balanced mode.  It's a portable amp but it's more powerful than the desktop HR-2 in balanced.  I got a bigger soundstage, more bass and less recessed vocal in that mode.  

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Oh no, im not that much of a noob! XD. There is an adapter to get a line out out of the E7 called the L7 (http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-L7-Line-Dock-Cable/dp/B004QVNS0S) that I was using to make the E7 a beginner DAC (the DV and E7 make up my first amp setup I have ever owned, and 650s second pair of hifi headphones I ever owned) for my Darkvoice 337.

 

Now my E7 just powers off when I connect the L7 and it wont turn back on till I plug in the USB cord with no L7 straight to the E7, hit the reset button with a paperclip, and then turn it on. I'd get this fixed but there is like no FiiO US support. Email is no, I got no response as it is only marketing email address anyway, and then the phone no. is China, and I'm in the CONUS so too expensive to call. I'm selling my E7 as an amp for $60 OBO since it won't work as a standalone DAC but as a normal amp, and who knows about it working in an E9 setup. :-(

 

So now, I can't use my Darkvoice 337 till I can get a DAC for it! :P

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post




How is your rig setup? Unless they've updated the hardware since I owned it, the E7 does not have a line level out. I assume you're going one of the headphone outputs into the DV? That's not ideal as you're using the FiiO's crappy amp section and double amping with the DV. I hope you're at least using usb into the E7. If you're just sending the signal to it via the 3.5mm input, you're not utilising it as a dac. If you're going headphone out of your computer into the line in on the E7 and then headphone out of that into the DV you're effectively using your computer's crappy dac, and amplifying a less than ideal signal threefold.

 



 

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Oh yeah I got my 650s refurb (by manufacturer or seller I forgot) from Sonic Sense on eBay for $339 USD and they are in perfect condition and everything. There are some pops and clicks every once in a while and far in between when listening but I think these might go away with burn in. Or not..? What do you guys think?

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what is your source?  I haven't had a pop and clicks in my brand new 650's but i also run FLAC lossless files off my laptop into an e9 amp from the line out of my laptop.. are you listening to mp3s, vinyl, cds? 

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Originally Posted by jtaylor991 View Post

Oh yeah I got my 650s refurb (by manufacturer or seller I forgot) from Sonic Sense on eBay for $339 USD and they are in perfect condition and everything. There are some pops and clicks every once in a while and far in between when listening but I think these might go away with burn in. Or not..? What do you guys think?



Pops and clicks are more likely to come from your souce I think :)

 

My new-ish (20 hours on them) pair seem to have a very slight imbalance. It might all be in my head, but it seems like the sound is just about 10% too much to the right. I'll need somebody else to audition them, I think I'm just obesessing over it right now.

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