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Wondering, did you buy the 650s new each time?

 



nope.  first time was new. other 2 times were used.

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Anyone who has tried both knows that EQ and cable changes aren't the same. EQs only change frequency balance (tone). Cables can change frequency balance, as well as qualitative properties like attack, decay, soundstage and reduce grain etc. I've used equalizers for years, and they have their place, but they only achieve a small part of what cable upgrades do. 

 

(Not directed to anyone in particular) I say buy and listen for yourself, and stop arguing until you've owned some high-end cables yourself.

 

Getting back on topic, the HD650s sound different with a silver, copper and SPC cable. You can pick out the sound of each if you have them side-by-side (which I've done).



yes i suppose youre right.  which did you like the best?  all the 650 cables i have tried were silver or the stock one.  

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Anyone who has tried both knows that EQ and cable changes aren't the same. EQs only change frequency balance (tone). Cables can change frequency balance, as well as qualitative properties like attack, decay, soundstage and reduce grain etc. I've used equalizers for years, and they have their place, but they only achieve a small part of what cable upgrades do. 

 

(Not directed to anyone in particular) I say buy and listen for yourself, and stop arguing until you've owned some high-end cables yourself.

 

Getting back on topic, the HD650s sound different with a silver, copper and SPC cable. You can pick out the sound of each if you have them side-by-side (which I've done).


Most definitely!

 

Though... I would add that the degree to which a different cable affects the sound depends on a lot of factors... not the least of which is the degree to which the listener can distinguish and appreciate the difference.  For example... the sound of "old version" HD650's are very much affected by the cable... though... that "very much" is the extent of my personal observation and experience and the degree to which I focus on their sound.  And... conversely... the sound of the "new version" HD650's seem to me to be relatively "less affected" by the cable... again... in my personal experience.  To someone else... their impressions may be very different than mine... and... they may be more or less sensitive to such variations in the sound. 

 

All of which reinforces your point... each person really must try the various cables for themselves to determine whether the cables make sufficient difference to them.

 

This is also very true regarding the variations in sound for the high end phones (or any high end component) - to me... there is only very subtle variations in their sound, when each is properly matched to a source and amp.  Yet... others... will seem to think there are relatively more significant variations in their sound - at least their descriptions make it appear so.  While, after trying various high end phones and set ups... I would say others are quite simply... "splitting hairs."   

 

Regardless... I have only been able to arrive at this conclusion... by testing the phones and components for myself... to determine that IMO others are "splitting hairs."  And... as I've come to that personal realization... I'm now better able to avoid the compulsion to "jump on every FOM."  Though... occasionally... I still "fall off the wagon."
 

 


Edited by Gradofan2 - 7/25/11 at 9:28am
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Most definitely!

 

Though... I would add that the degree to which a different cable affects the sound depends on a lot of factors... not the least of which is the degree to which the listener can distinguish and appreciate the difference.  For example... the sound of "old version" HD650's are very much affected by the cable... though... that "very much" is the extent of my personal observation and experience and the degree to which I focus on their sound.  And... conversely... the sound of the "new version" HD650's seem to me to be relatively "less affected" by the cable... again... in my personal experience.  To someone else... their impressions may be very different than mine... and... they may be more or less sensitive to such variations in the sound. 

 

All of which reinforces your point... each person really must try the various cables for themselves to determine whether the cables make sufficient difference to them.

 

This is also very true regarding the variations in sound for the high end phones (or any high end component) - to me... there is only very subtle variations in their sound, when each is properly matched to a source and amp.  Yet... others... will seem to think there are relatively more significant variations in their sound - at least their descriptions make it appear so.  While, after trying various high end phones and set ups... I would say others are quite simply... "splitting hairs."   
 

 


i agree.  

 

i have no idea how things like this work, but could the degree to which a cable affects sound be related to the efficiency of the driver? (sorry if this is a stupid question, im not very knowledgeable in how things work). 

 

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Have to say that I'm agreeing with Shahrose and Gradofan2, the differences in cables are just too substantial imo. Otherwise I simply wouldn't be using my bulky ugly (now turning green..) upgrade copper cable. I would love to use the silver plated one I got as it looks great, but it hardens the sound too much. If it was all in my mind, then I should be able to persuade myself that the silver one is best, but its not.      

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Most definitely!

 

Though... I would add that the degree to which a different cable affects the sound depends on a lot of factors... not the least of which is the degree to which the listener can distinguish and appreciate the difference.  For example... the sound of "old version" HD650's are very much affected by the cable... though... that "very much" is the extent of my personal observation and experience and the degree to which I focus on their sound.  And... conversely... the sound of the "new version" HD650's seem to me to be relatively "less affected" by the cable... again... in my personal experience.  To someone else... their impressions may be very different than mine... and... they may be more or less sensitive to such variations in the sound. 

 

All of which reinforces your point... each person really must try the various cables for themselves to determine whether the cables make sufficient difference to them.

 

This is also very true regarding the variations in sound for the high end phones (or any high end component) - to me... there is only very subtle variations in their sound, when each is properly matched to a source and amp.  Yet... others... will seem to think there are relatively more significant variations in their sound - at least their descriptions make it appear so.  While, after trying various high end phones and set ups... I would say others are quite simply... "splitting hairs."   

 

Regardless... I have only been able to arrive at this conclusion... by testing the phones and components for myself... to determine that IMO others are "splitting hairs."  And... as I've come to that personal realization... I'm now better able to avoid the compulsion to "jump on every FOM."  Though... occasionally... I still "fall off the wagon."
 

 



I have a question for you.  How much difference is there between the new 650s and the old 650s?   Is it subtle?

 

What's your take on using the 595 drivers for both headphones?  

 

 

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Have to say that I'm agreeing with Shahrose and Gradofan2, the differences in cables are just too substantial imo. Otherwise I simply wouldn't be using my bulky ugly (now turning green..) upgrade copper cable. I would love to use the silver plated one I got as it looks great, but it hardens the sound too much. If it was all in my mind, then I should be able to persuade myself that the silver one is best, but its not.      



All I can suggest is that the conditions under which some of the aftermarket cables are made and resultuing quality is suspect.

 

Why is your cable turning green?

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All I can suggest is that the conditions under which some of the aftermarket cables are made and resultuing quality is suspect.

 

Why is your cable turning green?



It's got clear plastic covering the copper. When copper is exposed to moisture, it turns green. I've done some research on it, and the green film that collects over the copper is so thin that it doesn't have any effect on its conductive qualities, infact it helps to protect it. Most people don't notice this because most cables are covered in colored plastic. I've read that the Ultimate ear cables have a tendancy to turn green too, there was a bit of hoohar about it, they have clear plastic aswell.  The green part on my cable is where the it lies under my chin when I'm in bed.    

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for better or wworse, i ordered a hd650.  lol 4th times a charm? we shall see. 

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for better or wworse, i ordered a hd650.  lol 4th times a charm? we shall see. 



 

I did the same thing more or less. I bought the HD600 because it stands in the middle of the road in terms of sound signature, and because of past familiarity. I'd expected it to help in the system building process, at the end of which it would probably get put on the block. 

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I did the same thing more or less. I bought the HD600 because it stands in the middle of the road in terms of sound signature, and because of past familiarity. I'd expected it to help in the system building process, at the end of which it would probably get put on the block



yep lol

i was gonna go with a denon, but couldnt afford the d7000 right now.  i really need to stop.  i totally didnt need to pick this up!

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Yeah but now I'm keeping it, lol. My point is a control is needed when testing new components, otherwise one loses track of which way is up or down. Then the possibility increases that the wrong component gets sold for the wrong reason, and its back to square one.

 

Getting back to the cable discussion, I want to try some cables but unless sheer luck prevails at first try, I know it could be a long and expensive process that might very well fail. Right now I have a nice sound, and don't want to mess with it for a while.

 

 


Edited by pigmode - 7/25/11 at 1:03pm
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Yeah but now I'm keeping it, lol. My point is a control is needed when testing new components, otherwise one loses track of which way is up or down. Then the possibility increases that the wrong component gets sold for the wrong reason, and its back to square one.

 

Getting back to the cable discussion, I want to try some cables but unless sheer luck prevails at first try, I know it could be a long and expensive process that might very well fail. Right now I have a nice sound, and don't want to mess with it for a while.

 

 



very interesting. im different. i know where my base is and wha is the best i ve had.  i think my problem is that i keep hoping that the hd650 will sound as good as it did when i first got them at the beginning of my journey. we shall see how they sound with the ZDSE but im not expecting it to beat out a T1... so ill probaby lose about 30-50dollars when i resell it. lol 

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Have to say that I'm agreeing with Shahrose and Gradofan2, the differences in cables are just too substantial imo. Otherwise I simply wouldn't be using my bulky ugly (now turning green..) upgrade copper cable. I would love to use the silver plated one I got as it looks great, but it hardens the sound too much. If it was all in my mind, then I should be able to persuade myself that the silver one is best, but its not.      


I would encourage you to try some of the other silver cables (e.g. the RAL, or the Headphile, etc.), they don't seem to "harden" the sound as you suggest.  Though, the silver plated copper of the Zu cable did "harden" the sound of my Senns. 
 

 

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Originally Posted by pigmode View Post

Yeah but now I'm keeping it, lol. My point is a control is needed when testing new components, otherwise one loses track of which way is up or down. Then the possibility increases that the wrong component gets sold for the wrong reason, and its back to square one.

 

Getting back to the cable discussion, I want to try some cables but unless sheer luck prevails at first try, I know it could be a long and expensive process that might very well fail. Right now I have a nice sound, and don't want to mess with it for a while.

 

 


Yes... count me as one of the "huge skeptics" of the benefits of some of the "very expensive" copper cables (or silver cables for that matter).  I would never "place my bets" on such expensive cables, unless I could return them within 30 days, if I didn't think the benefits justified their price - which they almost certainly can't.  It's very difficult to beat the Cardas cable for the HD600's and the Headphile, or RAL silver cables for the HD650's (and they won't bankrupt you). 
 

 

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