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Help me!

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/563711/earning-up-for-my-first-system-dac-amp-for-sennheiser-hd650

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Originally Posted by DrHouse View Post



 

Awesome. are there any other alternatives to protect the driver? And how did u apply it over the driver?
 

 



If you are using stockings to cover the driver instead of the foam, make sure they are the thinnest possible type otherwise they will affect the sound more than the foam..  I've tried loads of different materials in both the driver and the inside the pads and I find that a little bit less foam on the drivers and no foam on the cups works best for me.

 

Also copper upgrade cables work best for me too, rather than silver, as silver seems to change the character too much. The treble hardens and the soundstage shrinks slightly, although they do sound sharper and brighter.. The 650's work best with a bit of color, albeit the copper. So you may ask why bother changing the cable? I wouldn't unless you're not happy with the sound of the 650's. OR.. you just want a bit more of what they do well. And so get a thicker wire. Thicker wire = bigger signal.

 

Oh, and I get my stockings from Harrods, good quality. Feel lovely on your skin wink.gif

 

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Yes... the "new version" has all the treble you'd ever want... and... I would not call them, especially smooth, or laid back at all.  He may be referring to the "old version."  At least the "new version" I had were very aggressive, bright, detailed and clear.  The "old version" I had were not.
 

 

 

Im glad someone pointed this out.  I just got my 650's about a week ago and they're very lively.
 

 

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The component parts of that cable are fine but not at all exotic Dr. House.  Mogami makes respectable, widely used cables.  That said, even the biggest after-market cable enthusiasts will concede that a replacement cable is one of the very last upgrades you should be looking at in terms of the price:performance ratio.  

 

Please keep in mind that there are thousands of subjective reports of sonic improvements from cable upgrades on head-fi, but in three years of loitering here, I have yet to see anyone post a "diffmaker" log documenting even the tiniest measurable difference.  (diffmaker is freeware by the way, intended for at home use by amateur audio enthusiasts.) 

 

To wrap it up, I would advise that you save your pennies to spend on a more serious dac or amp at some point down the road.

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can anyone shed some light on this cable? its my sort of price range

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SENNHEISER-HD600-HD650-HD580-CABLE-5-ft-QUAD-COPPER-/250718033117?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5ff594dd#ht_2446wt_648

 

I use the pure copper one from the same seller. And I think it sounds much better than stock. So I will recommend that one only because I've bought from him before.

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I'm not sure why people say the 650's are too noisy/leaky for work. I'm listening to classical music at a comfortable volume, and I can't hear anything whatsoever more than 4 feet or so away. Maybe if I was blasting rock really loud, but it seems just fine for me. Although it probably depends somewhat on ambient noise levels of where you work.

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I use the pure copper one from the same seller. And I think it sounds much better than stock. So I will recommend that one only because I've bought from him before.



can u think of a difference between quad copper and the pure one? The quad a lil bit cheaper...

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can u think of a difference between quad copper and the pure one? The quad a lil bit cheaper...



Because I haven't tried the cheaper one I really couldn't say, other than there seems to be literally more cable for the money with the pure one. And I've recommended it a few times on here. It's a bit bulky but sounds fuller and faster than the stock to me. If mine dies at any point I will be ordering another from the same guy. It started to turn green in places after about 6 months, but this is normal.. something to do with the oxides, doesnt affect sound.      

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I'm not sure why people say the 650's are too noisy/leaky for work. 


Agreed!  I would add that open headphones are something of a must in the office environment if you need to be able to hear your phone ring.

 

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post


Yes... the "new version" has all the treble you'd ever want... and... I would not call them, especially smooth, or laid back at all. He may be referring to the "old version." At least the "new version" I had were very aggressive, bright, detailed and clear. The "old version" I had were not.

Im glad someone pointed this out. I just got my 650's about a week ago and they're very lively.


My (new driver) HD650 has always been vibrant and energetic. Every tweak to my setup has been made to accentuate the inherent qualities that make them great for my preference. I've used a mogami cable and now have a DHC nucleotide Molecule cable. I've never encountered this so called veil or found the HD650 slow or unenergetic, so I never felt compelled to try silver or perform mods. The HD650 will expose bottlenecks in your chain, despite the regurgitated claims that they are very forgiving.

Also, cables should be the absolute last expense. Save up, look at tube amps and those magic tubes that have amazing synergy with the HD650. You won't believe how much further these headphones can be elevated until you hear it with your own ears.
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Would an ibasso D10 have enough power to drive these?
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Originally Posted by supra1988t View Post

Would an ibasso D10 have enough power to drive these?

Not ideal...the HD650s really sound best from a desktop amp. For portability, I'd look at the D6.
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Because I haven't tried the cheaper one I really couldn't say, other than there seems to be literally more cable for the money with the pure one. And I've recommended it a few times on here. It's a bit bulky but sounds fuller and faster than the stock to me. If mine dies at any point I will be ordering another from the same guy. It started to turn green in places after about 6 months, but this is normal.. something to do with the oxides, doesnt affect sound.      

Hows the build? good stress relief etc?
 

 

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Originally Posted by DrHouse View Post

Awesome. are there any other alternatives to protect the driver? And how did u apply it over the driver?
 

 


You guys might want to EQ first.... before modding your 650s.

 

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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

Almost every pair of HD650's at every headphone meet I go to is recabled.  A lot of them with the dragon series cables (most seem to be silver dragon) but other than that I don't see any HD650's elsewhere.  It's my personal experience that the vast majority of serious head-fiers (serious enough to attend a headphone meet) here recable their HD650's. 


There are a lot of people who hear differences, and I'm one of them, but when put to the test, these differences disappear. 

 

Discoveing this, is one of the most humbling experiences you can have.

 

 

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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

The component parts of that cable are fine but not at all exotic Dr. House.  Mogami makes respectable, widely used cables.  That said, even the biggest after-market cable enthusiasts will concede that a replacement cable is one of the very last upgrades you should be looking at in terms of the price:performance ratio.  

 

Please keep in mind that there are thousands of subjective reports of sonic improvements from cable upgrades on head-fi, but in three years of loitering here, I have yet to see anyone post a "diffmaker" log documenting even the tiniest measurable difference.  (diffmaker is freeware by the way, intended for at home use by amateur audio enthusiasts.) 

 

To wrap it up, I would advise that you save your pennies to spend on a more serious dac or amp at some point down the road.


I'm not sure how you'd run the diffMaker on headphone cables??  confused_face_2.gif

 

But I would love to see anyone post some files on interconnects, usb. coax or toslink.


 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Not ideal...the HD650s really sound best from a desktop amp. For portability, I'd look at the D6.
 


+1

 

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