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If you're talking about the foam beneath the cushions - yes.  There is quite a lot of discussion of "de-veiling" the Senns in the various Senn threads about 4+ years ago.  Most prefer their sound with the foam removed.  Though, I covered mine with thin nylon stocking material to protect them from dust. 

 

 

Awesome. are there any other alternatives to protect the driver? And how did u apply it over the driver?
 

 

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Well, my HD 650's just arrived!

 

I don't have my amp yet, and still, they sound amazing! They make my old HD 280 Pro's sound grainy and cheap sounding. Much, much better - I'm literally hearing things I haven't heard before, once again :). They just as good for movies and video games, too. I'm surprised by how easy it is to pinpoint sounds in a game, and I've noticed new ambient sounds I've never heard before too.

 

Also, they're really comfortable. I can barely feel them on my head, and plenty of ventilation because they're open :)

 

I have no complaints at all about the sound signature so far, if anything there's plenty of treble for me.

 

Now to wait until my NFB 12 amp arrives. Can't wait to hear what they sound like with the amp, if they already sound so good.


Edited by ac500 - 7/21/11 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post



 

This is not an argument about cables. It is a correction to a post that was written as though it was hard cold fact.

 

It is a disservice to to Sennheiser to arbitrarily label the stock cable as crap.

 

It is ridiculous to say that most people ditch the stock cable. 

 

It is equally ridiculous to arbitrarily say that the stock cable seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through, when there is absolutely no proof of this.

 

And it is equally arbitrary to announce that most people go with silver or silver plated copper with the HD650's.

 

 

 


Almost every pair of HD650's at every headphone meet I go to is recabled.  A lot of them with the dragon series cables (most seem to be silver dragon) but other than that I don't see any HD650's elsewhere.  It's my personal experience that the vast majority of serious head-fiers (serious enough to attend a headphone meet) here recable their HD650's. 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Well, my HD 650's just arrived!

 

I don't have my amp yet, and still, they sound amazing! They make my old HD 280 Pro's sound grainy and cheap sounding. Much, much better - I'm literally hearing things I haven't heard before, once again :). They just as good for movies and video games, too. I'm surprised by how easy it is to pinpoint sounds in a game, and I've noticed new ambient sounds I've never heard before too.

 

Also, they're really comfortable. I can barely feel them on my head, and plenty of ventilation because they're open :)

 

I have no complaints at all about the sound signature so far, if anything there's plenty of treble for me.

 

Now to wait until my NFB 12 amp arrives. Can't wait to hear what they sound like with the amp, if they already sound so good.


It will sound REALLY smooth since the HD650 is laid back in the treble and so is the NFB-12. 

 

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Well treble is plenty strong enough for me right now, so I'm fine with that :)

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Originally Posted by DrHouse View Post

 

Awesome. are there any other alternatives to protect the driver? And how did u apply it over the driver?
 


Just use the foam covers as templates and cut pieces of nylon stocking slightly larger.  Then lay them in place where the foam covers were positioned, and press the pads down over them - very simple.  You may have to adjust them a bit to refine the fit, but they work very well. 
 

Of course, I'm assuming you've already pulled the pads out and removed the foam from beneath them...


Edited by Gradofan2 - 7/21/11 at 11:09pm
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Well treble is plenty strong enough for me right now, so I'm fine with that :)


Yes... the "new version" has all the treble you'd ever want... and... I would not call them, especially smooth, or laid back at all.  He may be referring to the "old version."  At least the "new version" I had were very aggressive, bright, detailed and clear.  The "old version" I had were not.
 

 

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

 


Yes... the "new version" has all the treble you'd ever want... and... I would not call them, especially smooth, or laid back at all.  He may be referring to the "old version."  At least the "new version" I had were very aggressive, bright, detailed and clear.  The "old version" I had were not.
 

 

 

Actually I was referring to the new version.  If you have a newer driver HD600 and a newer driver HD650, the rolled off highs become obvious when you switch between the two.  The newer HD650 is definitely brighter than the older one (I've owned both at the same time) but it still lacks in treble detail compared to the HD600.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing as a lot of people do prefer a more laid back / smooth presentation.  Also It really isn't too noticeable until you compare it to something else.

 

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Just thought I'd add: Classical music on these sounds incredible. I don't know about the 600 because I don't have it to compare, but violins actually sound like real violins. Big orchestras actually sound like I'm in an auditorium. Voices sound real...

 

How much better does it get with a dac/amp?


Edited by ac500 - 7/21/11 at 11:45pm
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People always say audiophiles only listen to classical music because we're elitist. I would say instead we sometimes only listen to classical music because our headphones make ambient music sound amazing. We don't get the thumping, but we do get the soundstage. 

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You can also remove the small foam behind the driver.  See complete instructions here on the Apuresound site.

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This is exactly how I felt when I got mine :)  It's amazing how much emotion these headphones can elicit, the cello and double bass sounds so powerful and the piano actually sounds like tighly wound strings in a wooden box :)  I love it because a lot of indie rock uses acoustic/classical instruments. Also ac, what do you think of vocals?

 

BTW these headphones showed me all the flaws in the Audioengine A5 speakers I have blink.gif I can't listen to them anymore, but I'm getting rid of them when I go to school anyways.

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Just thought I'd add: Classical music on these sounds incredible. I don't know about the 600 because I don't have it to compare, but violins actually sound like real violins. Big orchestras actually sound like I'm in an auditorium. Voices sound real...

 

How much better does it get with a dac/amp?

 

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> what do you think of vocals?

 

Choir in classical sounds about as close to real life as I can imagine. For other types of music with good quality sound, vocals really sounds like there's someone in front of you singing. Sometimes its a little weird because if you close your eyes it feels like there's someone in front of you in your room singing :)

 

 

> People always say audiophiles only listen to classical music because we're elitist. I would say instead we sometimes only listen to classical music because our headphones make ambient music sound amazing. We don't get the thumping, but we do get the soundstage. 

 

Well I've listened to classical music before I had high quality headphones, but at this point it almost feel like all those years were wasted, these are so much better ;).


Edited by ac500 - 7/22/11 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by Poetik View Post

Actually I was referring to the new version.  If you have a newer driver HD600 and a newer driver HD650, the rolled off highs become obvious when you switch between the two.  The newer HD650 is definitely brighter than the older one (I've owned both at the same time) but it still lacks in treble detail compared to the HD600.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing as a lot of people do prefer a more laid back / smooth presentation.  Also It really isn't too noticeable until you compare it to something else.

 


Actually... I'm comparing them to the best phones available with lots of treble (see my signature).  Perhaps, you haven't heard them with a well matched source and amp.  Or, perhaps the drivers in yours are different than the drivers in mine - there have been reports of lots of inconsistencies in the Senn drivers.  But... mine have been modified with a silver cable, and they're "deveiled."  And I use silver interconnects.  All those things make a big difference.

 

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Originally Posted by ac500 View Post

Just thought I'd add: Classical music on these sounds incredible. I don't know about the 600 because I don't have it to compare, but violins actually sound like real violins. Big orchestras actually sound like I'm in an auditorium. Voices sound real...

 

How much better does it get with a dac/amp?



 

A high quality amp/dac will make listening without un-incredible.

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