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I didn't know you could get them shipped in on the weekend :). I guess because I never bother to get 2 day shipping or anything like that.


Edited by ac500 - 7/16/11 at 10:37am
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Amazon Prime ftw

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Listening to the LCD-2 at the moment. Too early to impart any meaningful impressions, other than to acknowledge an understanding of the appreciation it garners. I will say this though: the HD650 in the right system is no slouch! I preached this suspicion when I grappled with the temptation to hear cans that supposedly blow the Senns out of the water. I'm more convinced of it now.

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Listening to the LCD-2 at the moment. Too early to impart any meaningful impressions, other than to acknowledge an understanding of the appreciation it garners. I will say this though: the HD650 in the right system is no slouch! I preached this suspicion when I grappled with the temptation to hear cans that supposedly blow the Senns out of the water. I'm more convinced of it now.

I'm waiting to build a balanced cable for my HD650's. I used to think that I'd never go back to them when I got the LCD-2's, but their sound signature is undeniably irresistible. In the right system, HD650's can hang with the big guns for sure. 

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That fixed it! I don't need a resampler any more. Great stuff! many thanks!

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Educate me on this one (as my mind is oriented to the balanced route - I just ordered a balanced Yulong D100 DAC).

When building a cable, do we just buy a replacement stereo cable for £12 from Sennheiser, cut off the 6.3mm jack, and solder on the balanced connector(s) to suit your system?

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/storeroom/various-spares/hd-650-cable-30m-635mm-stereo-jack-.html

It cheats a bit by forgoing the earth shielding of twist'n'shield balanced cable, gains in comfort (flexibility and weight) and saves money. Surely the earth can't do that much in a high-level headphone cable? It seems unlikely that any interference is going to be amplified to audible levels.

Or is there really a benefit in us building proper cables from scratch with shielded twisted pairs etc?

 

 

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I'm waiting to build a balanced cable for my HD650's. I used to think that I'd never go back to them when I got the LCD-2's, but their sound signature is undeniably irresistible. In the right system, HD650's can hang with the big guns for sure. 


 

 

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I'm actually still a newb at building cables myself. I think people usually ditch the stock Sennheiser cable because it's regarded as crap and seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through. Most people go with silver or silver plated copper with the HD650's. 

 

I bought some SPC from ebay a while back and plan to use that to build my cable with. Just waiting for the connectors to come in. I've never actually built a balanced cable before, will need to do some research as to which pins to connect. 

 

As far as shielding, that might be a better question for the DIY cable forum. I'm not too concerned about shielding as long as you braid the cable and apply some sleeving to it. I've had no interference problems in the past. 

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Originally Posted by DefLugs View Post

Educate me on this one (as my mind is oriented to the balanced route - I just ordered a balanced Yulong D100 DAC).

When building a cable, do we just buy a replacement stereo cable for £12 from Sennheiser, cut off the 6.3mm jack, and solder on the balanced connector(s) to suit your system?

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/storeroom/various-spares/hd-650-cable-30m-635mm-stereo-jack-.html

It cheats a bit by forgoing the earth shielding of twist'n'shield balanced cable, gains in comfort (flexibility and weight) and saves money. Surely the earth can't do that much in a high-level headphone cable? It seems unlikely that any interference is going to be amplified to audible levels.

Or is there really a benefit in us building proper cables from scratch with shielded twisted pairs etc?


The benefit of earth shielding in relative high voltage (some Volts), low Ohm (around 300) and few (3) meters are really not much. Go ahead as you plan!

 

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Cheers for the support. I will. Might just need a balanced amp first...

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The benefit of earth shielding in relative high voltage (some Volts), low Ohm (around 300) and few (3) meters are really not much. Go ahead as you plan!

 



 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Listening to the LCD-2 at the moment. Too early to impart any meaningful impressions, other than to acknowledge an understanding of the appreciation it garners. I will say this though: the HD650 in the right system is no slouch! I preached this suspicion when I grappled with the temptation to hear cans that supposedly blow the Senns out of the water. I'm more convinced of it now.

 

Try hunting down NOS Mullard 6DJ8s and NOS Mullard CV2492s for the LCD2s.

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I'm still loving this headphone, it's practically the only one i ever use nowadays.

And because I still enjoy it daily, I'm holding of the LCD-2 purchase for now, even though its itching...

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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post

I'm actually still a newb at building cables myself. I think people usually ditch the stock Sennheiser cable because it's regarded as crap and seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through. Most people go with silver or silver plated copper with the HD650's. 

 

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Stock Senn cable user here.

 

The stock cable is not crap as you state.  It is a fine cable and one that Sennheiser designed to work with the 650s. 

 

Don't you think that if Sennheiser could have improved the sound signature of the 650s with a different cable they would have? 

 

Bought in bulk, different wire isn't going to add much, if anything, to the price.

 

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Stock Senn cable user here.

 

The stock cable is not crap as you state.  It is a fine cable and one that Sennheiser designed to work with the 650s. 

 

Don't you think that if Sennheiser could have improved the sound signature of the 650s with a different cable they would have? 

 

Bought in bulk, different wire isn't going to add much, if anything, to the price.

 



As stated already in millions of discussions, improvement is not universal. What improves the headphones for me may not improve it for you. So stop arguing about cables. To some people, the stock is crap. Just as people would say iPod earbuds are crap, or M50s are crap. They make a difference to the sound, and that's all that matters. 

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As stated already in millions of discussions, improvement is not universal. What improves the headphones for me may not improve it for you. So stop arguing about cables. To some people, the stock is crap. Just as people would say iPod earbuds are crap, or M50s are crap. They make a difference to the sound, and that's all that matters. 

 

This is not an argument about cables. It is a correction to a post that was written as though it was hard cold fact.

 

It is a disservice to to Sennheiser to arbitrarily label the stock cable as crap.

 

It is ridiculous to say that most people ditch the stock cable. 

 

It is equally ridiculous to arbitrarily say that the stock cable seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through, when there is absolutely no proof of this.

 

And it is equally arbitrary to announce that most people go with silver or silver plated copper with the HD650's.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SemiAudiophile View Post

 I think people usually ditch the stock Sennheiser cable because it's regarded as crap and seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through. 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

This is not an argument about cables. It is a correction to a post that was written as though it was hard cold fact.

 

It is a disservice to to Sennheiser to arbitrarily label the stock cable as crap.

 

It is ridiculous to say that most people ditch the stock cable. 

 

It is equally ridiculous to arbitrarily say that the stock cable seems to bottleneck the treble detail and energy from coming through, when there is absolutely no proof of this.

 

And it is equally arbitrary to announce that most people go with silver or silver plated copper with the HD650's.

 

 

 

 

Please re-read my post. It was not written as cold hard fact and was not intended to. 
 

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

Don't you think that if Sennheiser could have improved the sound signature of the 650s with a different cable they would have? 

 

I believe that Sennheiser like all headphone manufactures can improve the sound signature of their headphones with a different cable, but they choose not to. That is an argument for another thread. 


Edited by SemiAudiophile - 7/17/11 at 12:58pm
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