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Originally Posted by brat View Post

A few weeks ago I realized that after 6 years of headphone listening and after several high-end headphones (incl. the omegas) HD650 are THE headphones for me. Exceptional musicality, these are headphones for music lovers no matter what style you prefer. The best all-rounder maybe.

+1 I sold my LCD-2 a couple of weeks ago due to prefering speakers more but ordered a Hd 650 last week to be my main phone. Honestly, the Hd 650 aren't that big of a drop off from the LCD-2 dispite being 1/3 the price. Incredibly musical and not to far off technically from the LCD-2
post #3617 of 36890
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Originally Posted by attenuated 3db View Post


Nice to see someone post about the HD650s themselves, rather than cables.  I cannot afford (or even have experimental access to, like at a Head-Fi meet) to audition more expensive headphones, like Audeze LCD-2s, the HD800s or certainly any of the Stax line.  So I contented myself in advance of my HD650 purchase last December that it was going to be the "destination" headphone for me.  So it is nice to see that someone arrived at that conclusion after being able to dip their toes in the high-end audio waters that I cannot.

 

As for the latest cable dust-up, the only electrical properties a cable (any cable) has are resistance, inductance and capacitance.  If you hear differences between cables, assuming it is not a placebo, then they must have different electrical properties in or more of these domains, or else there would be no way to distinguish between them at all.

 

When someone can explain cables in terms drawn from scientific reference:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLC_circuit 

 

... I will pay more attention than if they simply say a cable sounds "better" or even "different."  Why does it sound different?  Is it entirely about the conductor (how many strands of silver, copper, or oxygen-free cryo-copper and how they are twisted and braided), or could it have to do with the dialectric (insulation) or possibly shielding that cuts down on EMI or RFI?  I'd like to know.

Cables DO big differences! Any cables - power, digital, analog ICs, speaker/headphones cables...But they're not significant to the music.

Find your best transducers and just enjoy the music! If you are fully satisfied with the sound signature of HD650 don't give more money for newer (they're not necessarily better) headphones.

Good luck!
 

 


Edited by brat - 7/9/11 at 2:13pm
post #3618 of 36890
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Originally Posted by brat View Post

A few weeks ago I realized that after 6 years of headphone listening and after several high-end headphones (incl. the omegas) HD650 are THE headphones for me. Exceptional musicality, these are headphones for music lovers no matter what style you prefer. The best all-rounder maybe.


Even though I use the LCD-2's as my primary headphones now. I love the HD650's, had them for 5 years now never one problem. Last night I put them on and was amazed at how well they did in comparison to the LCD-2 on the music I was listening to.
post #3619 of 36890
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Originally Posted by MrScary View Post

Even though I use the LCD-2's as my primary headphones now. I love the HD650's, had them for 5 years now never one problem. Last night I put them on and was amazed at how well they did in comparison to the LCD-2 on the music I was listening to.


The more phones I've tried above the HD580/600/650's, RS-1's, and AD2000's... the more I've realized there are only very subtle differences between phones at that level (including the Stax phones) - not "night and day" differences.  You have to really be a bit obsessive to appreciate the subtle differences, relative to the steep prices you pay to hear those differences - "a la diminishing returns." 

 

From the comments above, and elsewhere, it would appear that many others are beginning to realize that also.

 

The "new version" HD580/600/650's do sound very comparable to other hi-end phones when driven by a well matched amp and source... some say... as good or better than the best.   

 

post #3620 of 36890
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post

The more phones I've tried above the HD580/600/650's, RS-1's, and AD2000's... the more I've realized there are only very subtle differences between phones at that level (including the Stax phones) - not "night and day" differences.  You have to really be a bit obsessive to appreciate the subtle differences, relative to the steep prices you pay to hear those differences - "a la diminishing returns." 


I disagree with between the HD 650 and the AD2000. There is certainly a very appreciable difference between the two. Whether you like it or not is a different matter, but the difference is very noticeable. I wouldn't mind either as my main pair of headphones, but to say there's a subtle difference between the two is lying.

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Originally Posted by attenuated 3db View Post

Nice to see someone post about the HD650s themselves, rather than cables.  I cannot afford (or even have experimental access to, like at a Head-Fi meet) to audition more expensive headphones, like Audeze LCD-2s, the HD800s or certainly any of the Stax line.  So I contented myself in advance of my HD650 purchase last December that it was going to be the "destination" headphone for me.  So it is nice to see that someone arrived at that conclusion after being able to dip their toes in the high-end audio waters that I cannot.

 

As for the latest cable dust-up, the only electrical properties a cable (any cable) has are resistance, inductance and capacitance.  If you hear differences between cables, assuming it is not a placebo, then they must have different electrical properties in or more of these domains, or else there would be no way to distinguish between them at all.

 

When someone can explain cables in terms drawn from scientific reference:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLC_circuit 

 

... I will pay more attention than if they simply say a cable sounds "better" or even "different."  Why does it sound different?  Is it entirely about the conductor (how many strands of silver, copper, or oxygen-free cryo-copper and how they are twisted and braided), or could it have to do with the dialectric (insulation) or possibly shielding that cuts down on EMI or RFI?  I'd like to know.


Everything is certainly diminishing returns after the HD650/K701 level phones.  Thing is that last 20% is 50% to some of us.  

 

 

post #3622 of 36890
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Originally Posted by brat View Post

A few weeks ago I realized that after 6 years of headphone listening and after several high-end headphones (incl. the omegas) HD650 are THE headphones for me. Exceptional musicality, these are headphones for music lovers no matter what style you prefer. The best all-rounder maybe.

 

+1  Best all around headphone.

 

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Originally Posted by MrScary View Post

Even though I use the LCD-2's as my primary headphones now. I love the HD650's, had them for 5 years now never one problem. Last night I put them on and was amazed at how well they did in comparison to the LCD-2 on the music I was listening to.


I've been using them all day..... still the tone champ.  Nothing does 'true to life' instruments or vocals like the 650s.

 

 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post


Everything is certainly diminishing returns after the HD650/K701 level phones.  Thing is that last 20% is 50% to some of us.  

 

 


Sorry, I don't consider 701s on the level of 650s.

 

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Last night I was doing some listening with an Earmax clone amplifier and was going through all my headphones.  This amp couldn't drive the LCD2s, but when it comes down to it, when the LCD2s are ruled out of the equation...the HD650s are preferred by a very significant margin over all my other headphones, so they become my number 1 headphones by default. 

 

With a good tube amp, and I insist that the HD650 be driven by tubes, the differences between LCD2 and HD650 is reduced, but with solid state, the HD650 suffer from a grained top end that can be grating after extended periods.

 

As a headphone the HD650 has been such a delightful reference for me for many years and is the best headphone option for anyone wishing to experience accurate audio reproduction and do not know where to start IMO.

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I've been grappling with the decision to purchase the LCD-2 for a while. The proposition has become more enticing with the recent driver revision, but I still struggle with the justification considering how amazing the HD650 now sounds in my current setup.

 

You guys should hear what these cans sound like with Heerlen factory made Amperex tubes. My God. It's the only thing preventing me from completing the PayPal Check out on the LCD-2.

post #3625 of 36890
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

I've been grappling with the decision to purchase the LCD-2 for a while. The proposition has become more enticing with the recent driver revision, but I still struggle with the justification considering how amazing the HD650 now sounds in my current setup.

 

You guys should hear what these cans sound like with Heerlen factory made Amperex tubes. My God. It's the only thing preventing me from completing the PayPal Check out on the LCD-2.


I think if you already have an amp and source that can drive the HD650 decently, then the next upgrade is neither amp nor source, but the headphone.  I am on the verge of clearing out my other headphones to buy the new LCD2s to compliment my old LCD2s....the HD650 shall stay.

 

post #3626 of 36890

SP, out of interest, does Audeze include the cost of shipping in the value of goods declaration? If they just list $995, import duties and GST may be avoided and make the decision to pull the trigger now much easier.

post #3627 of 36890

I have no idea what the situation is there, I bought Grokits original pair used.  I am guessing that shipping is not included in the price declaration.


Edited by SP Wild - 7/9/11 at 10:49pm
post #3628 of 36890
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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

SP, out of interest, does Audeze include the cost of shipping in the value of goods declaration? If they just list $995, import duties and GST may be avoided and make the decision to pull the trigger now much easier.


NO shipping is not included
post #3629 of 36890

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post

Sorry, I don't consider 701s on the level of 650s.

 


Ok?

post #3630 of 36890

Thanks. The below describes what I'm finding with the HD650s from a solid state amp. It sounds as if a tube amp is what I need, despite having always favoured solid state with speakers.
 

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

With a good tube amp, and I insist that the HD650 be driven by tubes, the differences between LCD2 and HD650 is reduced, but with solid state, the HD650 suffer from a grained top end that can be grating after extended periods.

 



 

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