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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post


Sennheiser knows what they are doing with cables and they know exactly how they want the 650s to sound.....  

 

Regarding the after market cable you bought, obviously something is wrong with it or it would sound like the stock Senn cable.

 

Think about it!



 


Yes, but how they want their headphones to sound is not necessarily how we want our headphones to sound. :)

Since no two headphones sound exactly the same, it's also going to be difficult to find one that's similar to the HD650. So if the "HD650 sound" is the sound that's right for me, and only needs a little tweaking to become perfect, then I'm all for getting more out of my headphones. Of course, because the cables have such a marginal effect, it's essentially the last thing we're supposed to change in the system. 

 

Say our favourite headphone "sound" is a number, 195. The HD650s are the closest to that number, 200. Then the amplifier turns that sound into 190. The source changes that to 194. And the cable change makes it an even 195. That's kind of what we should be looking for in our music. First, to find our "sound" and second, to find the gear that lets us produce that sound. It's a little random, but hopefully you get what I mean. :)

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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post


Say our favourite headphone "sound" is a number, 195. The HD650s are the closest to that number, 200. Then the amplifier turns that sound into 190. The source changes that to 194. And the cable change makes it an even 195. That's kind of what we should be looking for in our music. First, to find our "sound" and second, to find the gear that lets us produce that sound. It's a little random, but hopefully you get what I mean. :)


QFT i guess? interesting. 


Edited by fabio-fi - 7/7/11 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post

 



 


Yes, but how they want their headphones to sound is not necessarily how we want our headphones to sound. :)

Since no two headphones sound exactly the same, it's also going to be difficult to find one that's similar to the HD650. So if the "HD650 sound" is the sound that's right for me, and only needs a little tweaking to become perfect, then I'm all for getting more out of my headphones. Of course, because the cables have such a marginal effect, it's essentially the last thing we're supposed to change in the system. 

 

Say our favourite headphone "sound" is a number, 195. The HD650s are the closest to that number, 200. Then the amplifier turns that sound into 190. The source changes that to 194. And the cable change makes it an even 195. That's kind of what we should be looking for in our music. First, to find our "sound" and second, to find the gear that lets us produce that sound. It's a little random, but hopefully you get what I mean. :)


 

These forums are like life. You have to decipher the truth. Recabling is nothing more than marketing. I bet a significant number of members of this forum are employees of an audio company. "I didn't come here to tell you how it's going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin."

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And so the next round of the "Debate" is about to begin!popcorn.gif

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




Sennheiser knows what they are doing with cables and they know exactly how they want the 650s to sound.....  

 

Regarding the after market cable you bought, obviously something is wrong with it or it would sound like the stock Senn cable.

 

Think about it!



If there hasn't been a scientific paper written about it wif graphs and the likes, then it aint true! aint that right USG wink.gif

 

Your ears are useless guys. I've stopped using mine, they just get in the way of my listening..      

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It's an obsession. This is where I draw the line for myself. One day, when I'm filthy rich and don't know what to do with the money, I shall spend 4x the money of a headphone on a cable!

 

 

Experience: I used to work at Best Buy. The employee discount was that you got the products for what they paid for it. The largest discounts were on cables. They mark the hell outta cables because they are SOOOOOOOO cheap to make. Their profit with cables is 4 maybe 5 fold.

 

My Point: If you have tons of money, do whatever you want. If you aren't rich, don't waste your money. Learn to draw the line.

 

Analogy: It's like gambling. If you have the money, then it's probably not a problem. If you don't have the money, it's a HUGEEE problem.

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It's an obsession. This is where I draw the line for myself. One day, when I'm filthy rich and don't know what to do with the money, I shall spend 4x the money of a headphone on a cable!

 

 

Anyone who spends even nearly the same price as their headphones on a headphone cable is mad!

 

The cabling of headphones is where most hp manufacturers used to scrimp and save in manufacturing, until people started modifying. If cabling wasn't an issue or didn't affect the sound then hp manufacturers wouldn't be upgrading their cables, as this would be a costly and pointless excersize.  

 

As I've said a million times before. There is always room for daylighht robbery for the rich and naive.

 

If you cant tell the difference between a good and bad cable then you are in the wrong forum. Take up golf....  

 

(just in general not aimed at you rambusy babe!)

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I am not saying recabling should be banned or anything, lol. Do what you want. I just told you what I would do.

 

Edit: I'm done hijacking this thread.


Edited by KB24 - 7/8/11 at 10:47am
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Call it robbery but different quality cables sure as hell make a difference in sound which is worth something if the change is desirable. I was expecting my black silver cable to really open up the hd650s, instead I found that it recessed the midrange that I was pursuing in them in the first place. Maybe somebody would like this change but not me. But stating that headphone cables make absolutely no difference and that any changes are in your head from your expectations is rubbish. I expected a peak in clarity out of my black silver and it let me down. For my blue dragon cable for my pro 900s I didn't know what to expect and the change it brought blew me away.

 

Aftermarket cables do make changes to the sound of headphones. A/B'ing them makes this clear to me.

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Originally Posted by Blisse View Post

 

Yes, but how they want their headphones to sound is not necessarily how we want our headphones to sound. :)

Since no two headphones sound exactly the same, it's also going to be difficult to find one that's similar to the HD650. So if the "HD650 sound" is the sound that's right for me, and only needs a little tweaking to become perfect, then I'm all for getting more out of my headphones. Of course, because the cables have such a marginal effect, it's essentially the last thing we're supposed to change in the system. 

 

Say our favourite headphone "sound" is a number, 195. The HD650s are the closest to that number, 200. Then the amplifier turns that sound into 190. The source changes that to 194. And the cable change makes it an even 195. That's kind of what we should be looking for in our music. First, to find our "sound" and second, to find the gear that lets us produce that sound. It's a little random, but hopefully you get what I mean. :)


that's why we have EQing......  you want 195 and think 650s sound like 200, EQ it down a little.

 



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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

If there hasn't been a scientific paper written about it wif graphs and the likes, then it aint true! aint that right USG wink.gif

Your ears are useless guys. I've stopped using mine, they just get in the way of my listening..      


Using ears is a problem, isn't it??  confused_face_2.gif  They're so biological.,.......

 



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Originally Posted by colmustard View Post

Call it robbery but different quality cables sure as hell make a difference in sound which is worth something if the change is desirable. I was expecting my black silver cable to really open up the hd650s, instead I found that it recessed the midrange that I was pursuing in them in the first place. Maybe somebody would like this change but not me. But stating that headphone cables make absolutely no difference and that any changes are in your head from your expectations is rubbish. I expected a peak in clarity out of my black silver and it let me down. For my blue dragon cable for my pro 900s I didn't know what to expect and the change it brought blew me away.

 

Aftermarket cables do make changes to the sound of headphones. A/B'ing them makes this clear to me.


Look at it this way.  You have a Rolex watch.  You want to have it cleaned and lubricated.  Now you could bring it down to a local watch store or you could have Rolex do it..... but wait, maybe the local guy has secret lubricants Rolex hasn't even heard of yet or a cleaner clean room and better tools to open the case.....  You get the idea.....

 

OK, how about headphones.  Someone has to unsolder the factory solder joints, clean up the pads and re-solder a new cable in place.  Sounds easy.  But you're not there when Mr. Wizzard opens the headphone and over heats the driver while trying to de-solder the pads or makes some other mistake you'll never know about.....There were pics on the forum where Single Power was re-cabling R10s and was just cutting off the old cable near the driver and soldering on a new cable to the stub from the old cable.... and putting it back together just like that.....  no one knew.  Now you have 2 solder joints and an old piece of oxidized wire between you and your sound where there should only be one joint and fresh wire.  Doesn't matter?? OK, it's your headphones.

 

If you want to futz around with some inexpensive headphones, do it yourself.  At least you will know the job was done well. 

 

My feeling about expensive headphones is not to screw around with them.  Sennheiser, Beyer and AKG spend a lot of money in R&D to get them to sound  just the way they want them to.  The cost of cabling is a non issue when we're talking about $1200 - $1400 headphones.  If a certain cable material or cable configuration actually made one of these premium headphones sound better, the factory would simply use it and add a few dollars to the already grossly inflated price.  

 

That said, IMHO, there's no cable that's going to add something that's not there so if you want to tweak the sound a little, just EQ.  The beauty of EQ is that you can turn it on and off and change it when ever you think your source material needs a little something....

 

But far be it for me to tell you not spend a lot of money for a heavy, braided (so it looks good) microphonic piece of wire to jazz up your headphones. 

 

To show you how silly the whole cable issue is, check out these state of the art interconnects.....  maybe AKG had it right with their 701s after all.....  So which is it?  Thick cables or thin cables or doesn't it matter at all?

 

orig.jpg

 

 

 

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Mr Scary where are you!

 

theres a cable war starting!! you were right! I think it may be too late to stop it though biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Mr Scary where are you!

 

theres a cable war starting!! you were right! I think it may be too late to stop it though biggrin.gif


LOL. There's no cable war starting.  But you can see the inconsistency in what actually makes a cable good.

 

There's no magic in cables, just electricity along a wire.... and relatively short wires at that....

 

Here's another one for you.  This is a DIY from one of the NY meets.  It's a single strand of silver wire wrapped around a stiff piece of paper and covered with clear tape.  

 

orig.jpg

 

It sounded every bit as good as this big, fat, heavy cable....

 

orig.jpg

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




LOL. There's no cable war starting.  But you can see the inconsistency in what actually makes a cable good.

 

There's no magic in cables, just electricity along a wire.... and relatively short wires at that....

 

Here's another one for you.  This is a DIY from one of the NY meets.  It's a single strand of silver wire wrapped around a stiff piece of paper and covered with clear tape.  

 

orig.jpg

 

It sounded every bit as good as this big, fat, heavy cable....

 

orig.jpg

They sounded as good as but did they sounded the same?
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post

They sounded as good as but did they sounded the same?


I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but I listened to them a few minutes apart with my stock 650s and from what I could tell, they sounded the same....  no particular emphasis or detraction anywhere in the spectrum.  However, the two systems were very different.

 

Another way to ask that question might be, Why shouldn't they sound the same?

 


Edited by upstateguy - 7/9/11 at 7:23am
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This is part of this hobby. Personalization of your own gear and sound. People's do that every day on their cars. Replace the chrome wheels on their 
cars with bigger and lighter magnesium  one just for the look and a marginal drive feeling change.  That's all good! People should be free to express themselves. When I replaced the cable on my HD650 I didn't expected them to become HD800. I'm experimenting with flavor of material and noticing characteristic changes in the sound and that what I like in this hobby. Experiment. Same thing when I exchange a tube in my amplifier. If you don't get any satisfaction on altering your gears that all good too. But to claim that their is no differences between all variant cables that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but I listened to them a few minutes apart with my stock 650s and from what I could tell, they sounded the same....  no particular emphasis or detraction anywhere in the spectrum.  However, the two systems were very different.

 

Another way to ask that question might be, Why shouldn't they sound the same?

 



 

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