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Originally Posted by LepakVT View Post

In my never ending indecisiveness with my new headphone search, I'm coming around to looking at the HD650. Years ago, when I started being a head-fier, I always envisioned that the HD650 were this holy grail of headphones before getting into the really expensive headphones. Now that I can afford them, I'm really interested in these.

 

Although my music listening focuses on rock, metal, or prog, I can't firmly say I want a Grado because the 325's reputation for being too bright and the RS1i is more than I'd like to spend at the moment. How will the HD650 handle with rock? My biggest interests  when I listen to music are listening to every little detail and a nice bass. My budget would allow me to purchase a replacement cable ~$100. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sennheiser-Mogami-2534-OFC-Headphone-Cable-/250847309411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67aa2e63#ht_500wt_1156 Is this a decent replacement from stock??)


My source/amp setup is a FiiO E7+E9


I have verified the cable and I do not recommend it. The Mogami is fine but the construction as some flaws. The Cardas connectors end have to much heatshrink resulting on the cable hurting your shoulder while moving your head side to side while rocking the HD650.

I'm talking with experience cause I did the same mistake once. wink.gif
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post #3542 of 37378
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Originally Posted by LepakVT View Post

In my never ending indecisiveness with my new headphone search, I'm coming around to looking at the HD650. Years ago, when I started being a head-fier, I always envisioned that the HD650 were this holy grail of headphones before getting into the really expensive headphones. Now that I can afford them, I'm really interested in these.

 

Although my music listening focuses on rock, metal, or prog, I can't firmly say I want a Grado because the 325's reputation for being too bright and the RS1i is more than I'd like to spend at the moment. How will the HD650 handle with rock? My biggest interests  when I listen to music are listening to every little detail and a nice bass. My budget would allow me to purchase a replacement cable ~$100. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sennheiser-Mogami-2534-OFC-Headphone-Cable-/250847309411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67aa2e63#ht_500wt_1156 Is this a decent replacement from stock??)


My source/amp setup is a FiiO E7+E9



I think the Senns are great with Rock, and more versatile than the RS1i's. The Grado's shape the music to suit them, but the 650's allow the music to be more free and I hear a big difference with more complex peices. So with more denser rock you will be able to define all of the guitars etc. The Grado's only have the edge in regards to actual guitar timbre and can make it sound edgier.

In regards to your amp, I think it will be fine. The E9 is suited for phone impedance up to 600ohms and that is what you need with the 650's and it will be as good a starting point as any other budget SS amp. There is always going to be a little snobbery when the fiio line is mentioned. I've had the E7 for a few years and think it is brilliant for the money. It contains the same dac as the Cambridge Audio dacmagic and that is one of the best dacs on the market. Ofcourse there is always room for improvement, but buying the 650' headphones first is the main thing, then you can build from there if need be. The cable that comes with 650's will be good enough for your rig and you probably wont hear much improvement with that mogami. I would wait and see if you want to get some higher end gear and then look for a better cable upgrade.

 

See how you get on with the 650's first and then decide what you like or want more of.

post #3543 of 37378

Just a quick word about 650 cables with out starting a war...

 

In my experience, and I've tried a few of the cheapies and silver plated numbers. The best for me is thick copper. Thicker the better as you will get a stronger signal, simple as that. The sound is faster bigger better.

 

this is what I use, its bulky and is more like thick speaker cable. But if you value sound over asthetic and comfort then its a winner.

 

hd cable.jpg

 

you can find it on ebay.

post #3544 of 37378
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Originally Posted by shaunybaby View Post

well boys i did it!!

 

i bought a lyr.

 

yeah i am very much looking forward to getting some alone time with the warm tubes and some music in the backgrond to get the right mood to make some magic happen.

 

so what is the biggest sound improvement i should look for? or is it all good?

 

 

I have Amperex Orange Globes from 1975 (Holland, A-frames) that have elevated the Lyr and HD650 to another level with the balance, transparency, depth and width of soundstage, and imaging presented. I also have Amperex 1965 Bugle Boys that have similar qualities, but amazing clarity in the high end at the slight expense of bass impact and width of soundstage.

 

What's your source? The Lyr with the right tubes will leave little to be desired in terms of amplification, so the quality of your source component will be important.
 

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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

I may not share their opinion on the efficacy of cables, but I definitely agree with skeptic and attenuated 3db that priorities should be set straight. The source and amp are much more important than the cable and should be addressed first.

 

The HD650s are especially sensitive to source/amp upgrades and the stock cable, though not the best, is not exactly terrible either IMO.



Agree with this. I find it telling that when a member comes into the thread seeking advice on cables, it's often the case that people recommend addressing other components first before spending anything on a cable. It's usually the cable atheists that accuse others of shilling the boutique cables, despite the sound advice that's often imparted.

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For those that will be interested in discussing the stock cable 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/559642/hd-650-cable-vs-hd-600-580

 

post #3546 of 37378
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Originally Posted by FearSC549 View Post

 

For those that will be interested in discussing the stock cable 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/559642/hd-650-cable-vs-hd-600-580

 


smart guy open a thread for the argument.
post #3547 of 37378
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post





I think the Senns are great with Rock, and more versatile than the RS1i's. The Grado's shape the music to suit them, but the 650's allow the music to be more free and I hear a big difference with more complex peices. So with more denser rock you will be able to define all of the guitars etc. The Grado's only have the edge in regards to actual guitar timbre and can make it sound edgier.

In regards to your amp, I think it will be fine. The E9 is suited for phone impedance up to 600ohms and that is what you need with the 650's and it will be as good a starting point as any other budget SS amp. There is always going to be a little snobbery when the fiio line is mentioned. I've had the E7 for a few years and think it is brilliant for the money. It contains the same dac as the Cambridge Audio dacmagic and that is one of the best dacs on the market. Ofcourse there is always room for improvement, but buying the 650' headphones first is the main thing, then you can build from there if need be. The cable that comes with 650's will be good enough for your rig and you probably wont hear much improvement with that mogami. I would wait and see if you want to get some higher end gear and then look for a better cable upgrade.

 

See how you get on with the 650's first and then decide what you like or want more of.


This is a very good and honest recommendation. The best I've read for I long time. I'm with you 100%. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by attenuated 3db View Post

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Yes, I didn't want to totally discount the role a passive component like an interconnecting cable can play in the ultimate sound quality of an entire musical reproduction chain, I just wanted to provide that poster with my experience on priorities.  If and when I do fashion a longer HD650 cable, the Mogami 2534 cable used in the cable he linked to on eBay would be my likely choice of wire.  Can buy it for $1.04 per foot, $14 for a pair of Cardas connectors, $8 for a nice Neutrik plug, and a little solder, hot glue and heat-shrink tubing....
 

 

 

 

I just received a new cable today that a fellow Headfi-er made for me. It uses the cardas connectors, Neutrik plug and Mogami 2893. It was a whole lot cheaper then the brand aftermarket cables.

I haven't had the chance to listen to it yet so I'll get back to this. I didn't really buy it to get a huge improvement but my amp and Dac are good enough so who knows it might actually be an improvement. I was just curious to try a custom cable. One thing is for sure: it looks a whole lot better then the stock one :D

 

IMG_2716.JPG

 


Edited by Ultrainferno - 7/1/11 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post


 

 

I just received a new cable today that a fellow Headfi-er made for me. It uses the cardas connectors, Neutrik plug and Mogami 2893. It was a whole lot cheaper then the brand aftermarket cables.

I haven't had the chance to listen to it yet so I'll get back to this. I didn't really buy it to get a huge improvement but my amp and Dac are good enough so who knows it might actually be an improvement. I was just curious to try a custom cable. One thing is for sure: it looks a whole lot better then the stock one :D

 

IMG_2716.JPG

 



let us know how it sounds, If you could a/b with stock I'd be interested in your thoughts. Cheers

 

post #3550 of 37378

Hello, I am looking at possibly upgrading my headphones in the next 2-3 months and I am currently looking strongly in the direction of the HD650's.

 

I currently have an HRT Music Streamer II and a FiiO E9. My current headphones are the HD595's (which I would sell).

 

The music I listen to is classical/instrumental, classic rock, 80's music, and some modern pop style music. A good portion of my music is FLAC/high bitrate MP3. I use a plugin for foobar2000 called DFX which also helps makes my low bitrate music sound a lot better,

 

I would likely be purchasing the HD650's from Ebay for around $300 + shipping/taxes which means I might have some extra cash available for an aftermarket cable.

 

I have tried finding a local retailer in Ottawa that would let me audition a pair of these headphones before purchasing them, but so far I haven't found one.

 

I was wondering if the HD650's would be a good upgrade for me. I haven't found a lot information comparing these directly to the HD595's, and the little bit of information I have found has been inconsistent. If the HD650's would not be a good fit for me than what other headphones should I look at?

 

 

As far as what I am looking for:

I find the mids on my 595's to be excellent, although the highs could be better. I don't mind the weaker bass, but I don't think I would mind if the bass was more pronounced. I really do like the way my HD595's, than again they are the only pair of "hi-fi" headphones I have every really listened to.

post #3551 of 37378
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Originally Posted by ABXG View Post

 

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I  currently have an HRT Music Streamer II and a FiiO E9. <snip>

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I might have some extra cash available for an aftermarket cable.<snip>

 


It might be more useful to spend the aftermarket cable money on equipment upgrades?


Edited by upstateguy - 7/1/11 at 10:32pm
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Why don't you save the aftermarket cable money for equipment upgrades?


x2


Edited by olor1n - 7/1/11 at 10:40pm
post #3553 of 37378
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post




It might be more useful to spend the aftermarket cable money on equipment upgrades?


upgrade the amp man biggest bang for the buck
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Originally Posted by ABXG View Post

Hello, I am looking at possibly upgrading my headphones in the next 2-3 months and I am currently looking strongly in the direction of the HD650's.

 

I currently have an HRT Music Streamer II and a FiiO E9. My current headphones are the HD595's (which I would sell).

 

The music I listen to is classical/instrumental, classic rock, 80's music, and some modern pop style music. A good portion of my music is FLAC/high bitrate MP3. I use a plugin for foobar2000 called DFX which also helps makes my low bitrate music sound a lot better,

 

I would likely be purchasing the HD650's from Ebay for around $300 + shipping/taxes which means I might have some extra cash available for an aftermarket cable.

 

I have tried finding a local retailer in Ottawa that would let me audition a pair of these headphones before purchasing them, but so far I haven't found one.

 

I was wondering if the HD650's would be a good upgrade for me. I haven't found a lot information comparing these directly to the HD595's, and the little bit of information I have found has been inconsistent. If the HD650's would not be a good fit for me than what other headphones should I look at?

 

 

As far as what I am looking for:

I find the mids on my 595's to be excellent, although the highs could be better. I don't mind the weaker bass, but I don't think I would mind if the bass was more pronounced. I really do like the way my HD595's, than again they are the only pair of "hi-fi" headphones I have every really listened to.



I don't think that you will regret upgrading to the 650's. I had the 595's for about 3 years before buying the 650's and they've been collecting dust since. The 650's are better in every area, bigger soundstage, more extension at both ends and more refined as a whole. Also the 650's are more scalable, in that they will continue to get better with better amps etc.

 

They may seem a little darker sounding when you first compare them to the 595's.  

 

Also your equipment is definitely a good starting point for the 650's. The HRT II streamer is one of the best budget dacs out there. However, and has already been pointed out, an aftermarket cable should be last on your list. Having said that, with that great dac you've got, all you need now is a powerfull tube amp and then your set for the next ten years! 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post





let us know how it sounds, If you could a/b with stock I'd be interested in your thoughts. Cheers

 

 

Early phase still, but the new cable seems to clear up the music. More detail, less bass and better treble aka less dark (imo). A/B'ing now
 

 

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