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Well said USG.  The mere fact that the differences between headphones, dacs and amps can be easily measured with test equipment, and the differences between cables cannot, proves the validity of your order of magnitude argument.  As a general rule, it seems safe to say that measurable differences will have a greater impact on sound quality than system changes which are not of a sufficient magnitude to be measured.  If a headphone cable really is capable of increasing brightness or warmth, this ought to show up in the frequency response curve.  I have yet to see a plausible explanation for why it does not.  IMO - this fact should be stickied at the top of the headphone forum, rather than being generally confined to sound science.    

 

 

 

My experience with an aftermarket cable for the 650 was that it did not brighten the sound but rather increased resolution, especially in the treble, which gave the impression of brightening the sound. Could this be why no FR differences can be measured? Perhaps we should be measuring square waves or something similar for evidence of better transient response. In any case I did hear a difference, and each tme I tried to go back to the stock cable, which was more convenient, I ended up back with the aftermarket cable. Why? Just vague dissatisfaction, which I could neither define nor measure. tongue_smile.gif  

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^ Haha..  tongue.gif  

 

pp312 strikes again.


Edited by sphinxvc - 6/29/11 at 6:59pm
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After tens (if not hundreds) of pages in this thread devoted to discussing and/or recommending "must have" after-market cables for the HD650's, I hardly think that a couple of posts expressing dissenting opinions as to the relative value of such cables should be dismissed as "off-topic." 
 


 

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I don't think it is fair to try and silence opposition to cable upgrade recommendations when they are so frequently discussed in this thread. 

 


+1

 

 

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what do you guys think of the mogami and canare cables for hd650?

 

couldnt find much in the search...

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what do you guys think of the mogami and canare cables for hd650?

 

couldn't find much in the search...



As long as there is copper and lots of it then it should be good. A homemade one is the cheapest and best solution. I got one made for me but it was still a lot cheaper than paying some of the crazy prices from some manufacturers. I would personally stay away from silver with the 650's. It tends to make them sound artificial and hard at the top and you lose some of their rounded natural, warm character. I would recommend using silver interconnect cables instead, as I've found they add a more focused sharper sound needed before it reaches the headphone. This is with tubes amps I must stress. 

 

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http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/remaster-cds-dvds3.htm
 

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Originally Posted by rambusanna View Post

 

LOVE the HD650. I love everything about them. I fell in love with them at first sight. They are just too beautiful. The moment I put them on, I fell in love with them all over again. Incredibly comfortable!!! They Fit my head perfectly. The shape of the pads and the feather weight construction that these cans have, I have never seen before. Before I put them on, I adjusted the sliders on the sides. Wow! So precise! The sliders are a little hard to adjust, but I like that because once I find the perfect length, I won’t need to adjust them again, unlike other phones that you have to adjust every time. I then noticed three dots that you can feel on the left slider right next to where it says “HD650.” You know the dots that blind folks use to read? Yes, those dots. These are not just for blind people! When i am in the dark and can’t see which side is left and which side is right, I just feel the dots and Voilà! That is the left side! That is what you call innovation. I was able to wear these cans for hours at a time with minimal fatigue. I sold my DT990 600 ohms because the highs were making my ears bleed. I couldn’t wear them for longer than 20 to 30 minutes. The highs of the HD650 are perfect for me! The mids are ASTONISHING. The lows are sooo deep like a closed can. I just put these on and I forget for a long time that I even have them on. The HD650 are definitely more comfortable than the DT990 600 ohms. The top padded part just felt too heavy on the DT990 after a while. Not with the HD650!!! They are sooo light. I also love how the wires run down from both drivers as opposed to just one in most other cans. The weight of the HD650 wire is evenly dispersed on both sides. ALLLLL these little things sum up to produce a luxurious set of headphones that are just mind blowing!

 

P.S. I am using The Apogee One to power these for the moment. I can only imagine how these are going to sound once I pair them with a proper tube amp!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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In my never ending indecisiveness with my new headphone search, I'm coming around to looking at the HD650. Years ago, when I started being a head-fier, I always envisioned that the HD650 were this holy grail of headphones before getting into the really expensive headphones. Now that I can afford them, I'm really interested in these.

 

Although my music listening focuses on rock, metal, or prog, I can't firmly say I want a Grado because the 325's reputation for being too bright and the RS1i is more than I'd like to spend at the moment. How will the HD650 handle with rock? My biggest interests  when I listen to music are listening to every little detail and a nice bass. My budget would allow me to purchase a replacement cable ~$100. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sennheiser-Mogami-2534-OFC-Headphone-Cable-/250847309411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67aa2e63#ht_500wt_1156 Is this a decent replacement from stock??)


My source/amp setup is a FiiO E7+E9

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I love the HD 650's for Rock, although I'm sure you'll find a million people who don't. Most of the Rock I listen to isn't that fast paced though, not much metal. Anything in the mid-range just sounds fantastic on the HD 650's and that includes guitars. The bass lags behind the mid-range in quality a bit, but it's still very good and fun to listen to. 

 

(IMHO) 

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I love the HD 650's for Rock, although I'm sure you'll find a million people who don't. Most of the Rock I listen to isn't that fast paced though, not much metal. Anything in the mid-range just sounds fantastic on the HD 650's and that includes guitars. The bass lags behind the mid-range in quality a bit, but it's still very good and fun to listen to. 

 

(IMHO) 


I don't know what you mean, the HD650 is my go-to rock headphone.

 

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well boys i did it!!

 

i bought a lyr.

 

yeah i am very much looking forward to getting some alone time with the warm tubes and some music in the backgrond to get the right mood to make some magic happen.

 

so what is the biggest sound improvement i should look for? or is it all good?

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Originally Posted by LepakVT View Post

In my never ending indecisiveness with my new headphone search, I'm coming around to looking at the HD650. Years ago, when I started being a head-fier, I always envisioned that the HD650 were this holy grail of headphones before getting into the really expensive headphones. Now that I can afford them, I'm really interested in these.

 

Although my music listening focuses on rock, metal, or prog, I can't firmly say I want a Grado because the 325's reputation for being too bright and the RS1i is more than I'd like to spend at the moment. How will the HD650 handle with rock? My biggest interests  when I listen to music are listening to every little detail and a nice bass. My budget would allow me to purchase a replacement cable ~$100. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sennheiser-Mogami-2534-OFC-Headphone-Cable-/250847309411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a67aa2e63#ht_500wt_1156 Is this a decent replacement from stock??)


My source/amp setup is a FiiO E7+E9


I haven't read this thread in eons, and doing a little catch-up reading, I can see there was a minor HD650 aftermarket-cable skirmish recently (they are like wildfires; they break out spontaneously at irregular intervals).  I confess that I am not personally familiar with the FiiO combo, but I would say keep the money for any replacement cable in your pocket and devote it to a better amplifier, because that is where you will reap obvious sonic rewards with the HD650s.  Rather than re-type, I'm going to link to a post I made in the Sound Science forum yesterday:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/555690/which-is-more-important-dacs-or-amplifliers/15#post_7572015

 

A good amplifier (and there are many choices, but something definitely up a rung from the FiiO) will make a huge difference in how good the HD650s can sound; a piece of wire connecting the amplifier to the headphones, not so much.  I am loving the HD650 sound with my newly-acquired used KICAS amplifier, but I like to be able to move around a little when I listen, so I have a cheapo 15-foot Radio Shack headphone extension cable (with two 1/4-to-1/8 adaptors on either end) plugged in between the KICAS and the HD650s.  I can take it out of the load, and plug the HD650s directly into the amp, and I don't hear much - if any - difference.  Someday I would like to make a custom one-piece cable to improve on the HD650's stock eight-foot umbillical cord and not have to deal with mechanical adaptors, but the amplifier upgrade story told at the linked-to post made for a huge improvement, and sticking a cheap extension cord into the equation doesn't make much sonic difference at all.  I would think that my highly-refined musical electrons would have their delicate sensibilities offended by being asked to traverse such a pedestrian length of wire, but they really don't seem to care that much about it.

 

Just my two cents.

 

 

 


Edited by attenuated 3db - 6/30/11 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by shaunybaby View Post

well boys i did it!!

 

i bought a lyr.

 

yeah i am very much looking forward to getting some alone time with the warm tubes and some music in the backgrond to get the right mood to make some magic happen.

 

so what is the biggest sound improvement i should look for? or is it all good?


Depends on which tubes you chose. The Tubes are the key to finding the magic and finding the majic sometimes requires a bit of research and buying a few sets of tubes...
Edited by MrScary - 6/30/11 at 4:39pm
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I may not share their opinion on the efficacy of cables, but I definitely agree with skeptic and attenuated 3db that priorities should be set straight. The source and amp are much more important than the cable and should be addressed first.

 

The HD650s are especially sensitive to source/amp upgrades and the stock cable, though not the best, is not exactly terrible either IMO.


Edited by Shahrose - 6/30/11 at 4:40pm
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I may not share their opinion on the efficacy of cables, but I definitely agree with skeptic and attenuated 3db that priorities should be set straight. The source and amp are much more important than the cable and should be addressed first.

 

The HD650s are especially sensitive to source/amp upgrades and the stock cable, though not the best, is not exactly terrible either IMO.

 

Yes, I didn't want to totally discount the role a passive component like an interconnecting cable can play in the ultimate sound quality of an entire musical reproduction chain, I just wanted to provide that poster with my experience on priorities.  If and when I do fashion a longer HD650 cable, the Mogami 2534 cable used in the cable he linked to on eBay would be my likely choice of wire.  Can buy it for $1.04 per foot, $14 for a pair of Cardas connectors, $8 for a nice Neutrik plug, and a little solder, hot glue and heat-shrink tubing....
 

 

 

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I just bought the components for the exact same cable, 70c a foot for the mogami and $5 for a neutrik jack from redco, and then $13 for the cardas connectors from parts conexxion. With the shrink tubing and braiding im still waaay under $40 dollars :)

 

Whats the hot glue for?

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