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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

I've just obtained some Amperex orange globe tubes (Holland, A-frames) for the Lyr and I cannot believe how much they've elevated this amp and consequently the HD650. I always thought the Fun's discrete amp section conveyed most the HD650's capabilities and the slight improvement the stock Lyr provided reinforced this belief. My first impressions of the HD650 matched with tubes were positive with the improvements in imaging and weight, but the initial tubes I tried in the Lyr sacrificed the transparency and resolve of my solid state amp for the musical presentation I craved.

 

The orange globes on the other hand are magical, and I encourage anyone with these cans and the Lyr to hear the great synergy at play here. The separation, width and depth of soundstage destroys the containment of the headphone listening experience. It's not a huge reverberated hall type soundstage, but it's certainly outside the head space, and the depth allows each instrument to occupy its own space. Imaging is elevated to another level as a result, and I now understand why this characteristic of the HD650 is talked up by those who've heard these cans perform at this level.

 

The bass is the most balanced and controlled I've heard from the HD650. It's organic and rich, and steps to the fore with authority when required. The smooth high end creates an expansive ceiling and accentuates the transparency and resolve being presented.

 

I don't usually listen to instrumental pieces but as I type this my internet radio stream is interrupted and it switches to the next available stream where Hans Zimmer's "King of the Pride" is playing and is followed by Ennio Morricone's "On Earth As It Is In Heaven". Epic. And fitting.


I tell ya, it's amazing just how much scale ability the HD650 have.  With the right equipment, one can have sound quality that rivals almost any dynamic headphone available.  So for now ,are you no longer interested in the LCD-2 or HE-500?smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

That's quite the cable budget for a pair of phones that only costs a little over $300...

 

Have you contemplated funneling those funds towards a decent OTL amp instead?  There are quite a few worthy candidates in your price range, although I would chiefly recommend the BH Crack, discussed length at various points throughout this thread.  It works marvels with the whole Senn reference lineup (HD600/HD650/HD800's), and I suspect the sonic improvements you would perceive would be far greater than anything a cable could possibly provide.


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Edited by upstateguy - 6/28/11 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by Digital-Pride View Post

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I tell ya, it's amazing just how much scale ability the HD650 have.  With the right equipment, one can have sound quality that rivals almost any dynamic headphone available.  So for now ,are you no longer interested in the LCD-2 or HE-500?smily_headphones1.gif


What's really amazing is how much change is thought to be heard from a little tweak.

 

 

In the scheme of things, and IMHO,  the differences between headphones is the greatest and most noticeable.

 

This is followed by the differences between usb transports.

 

Next comes the differences between DACs themselves. (NOS, upsampling etc)

 

Then, possibly, the differences between amps, when not driven into clipping. (Stereo Review amp tests, etc)

 

Now, there are those who hear differences between tubes.  But this difference can't be greater than the difference between the amps themselves, so tube difference is "relatively" small.

 

Further down the list are differences claimed to be heard between analog cables, with no measurements or tests that support audible differences.

 

Finally, differences have been reported with the use of isolation boards, coupling feet, green markers, termination plugs and jacks and a host of other tweaks, whose differences may or may not be on the level of cables.

 

With  the relative magnitude of each difference becoming smaller and smaller and smaller, it's hard to justify reports of great differences from little tweaks and especially cables. 

 

I'm not saying that there is no difference between headphone cables, what I am saying is that what ever difference there might be is very, very, very small, relative to the larger differences between headphones, transports, dacs, amps, and tubes.

 

I once read a post where a reviewer claimed 80 percent of the sound of his system was due to tweaks.  I think making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is magic.


Edited by upstateguy - 6/28/11 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post


 


What's really amazing is how much change is thought to be heard from a little tweak.

 

 

In the scheme of things, and IMHO,  the differences between headphones is the greatest and most noticeable.

 

This is followed by the differences between usb transports.

 

Next comes the differences between DACs themselves. (NOS, upsampling etc)

 

Then, possibly, the differences between amps, when not driven into clipping. (Stereo Review amp tests, etc)

 

Now, there are those who hear differences between tubes.  But this difference can't be greater than the difference between the amps themselves, so tube difference is "relatively" small.

 

Further down the list are differences claimed to be heard between analog cables, with no measurements or tests that support audible differences.

 

Finally, differences have been reported with the use of isolation boards, coupling feet, green markers, termination plugs and jacks and a host of other tweaks, whose differences may or may not be on the level of cables.

 

With  the relative magnitude of each difference becoming smaller and smaller and smaller, it's hard to justify reports of great differences from little tweaks and especially cables. 

 

I'm not saying that there is no difference between headphone cables, what I am saying is that what ever difference there might be is very, very, very small, relative to the larger differences between headphones, transports, dacs, amps, and tubes.

 

I once read a post where a reviewer claimed 80 percent of the sound of his system was due to tweaks.  I think making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is magic.



I think if you a/b'd my pro 900's with the stock cable and blue dragon cable you might change your mind about how much of a difference a cable can make (not always the case ofc) L3000.gif

post #3485 of 36851

I can't for the life of me find some hd650's on a credible website for under $450 other than ebay which I stay away from due to poor past experiences. Suggestions?

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I can't for the life of me find some hd650's on a credible website for under $450 other than ebay which I stay away from due to poor past experiences. Suggestions?



How about calling J&R?  From what I've read, speaking with J&R directly could net you an excellent price on quite a few headphones they sell including the HD650.

post #3487 of 36851

thinking about trading up my 595's for these...will ibasso d4 mamba suffice or will i most likely have to look into a higher tiered amp?

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The iBasso will suffice, but it's highly recommended that you acquire a higher-end amp sometime in the future.  By the way, I like your forum name quite a bit.smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

I've just obtained some Amperex orange globe tubes (Holland, A-frames) for the Lyr and I cannot believe how much they've elevated this amp and consequently the HD650. I always thought the Fun's discrete amp section conveyed most the HD650's capabilities and the slight improvement the stock Lyr provided reinforced this belief. My first impressions of the HD650 matched with tubes were positive with the improvements in imaging and weight, but the initial tubes I tried in the Lyr sacrificed the transparency and resolve of my solid state amp for the musical presentation I craved.

 

The orange globes on the other hand are magical, and I encourage anyone with these cans and the Lyr to hear the great synergy at play here. The separation, width and depth of soundstage destroys the containment of the headphone listening experience. It's not a huge reverberated hall type soundstage, but it's certainly outside the head space, and the depth allows each instrument to occupy its own space. Imaging is elevated to another level as a result, and I now understand why this characteristic of the HD650 is talked up by those who've heard these cans perform at this level.

 

The bass is the most balanced and controlled I've heard from the HD650. It's organic and rich, and steps to the fore with authority when required. The smooth high end creates an expansive ceiling and accentuates the transparency and resolve being presented.

 

I don't usually listen to instrumental pieces but as I type this my internet radio stream is interrupted and it switches to the next available stream where Hans Zimmer's "King of the Pride" is playing and is followed by Ennio Morricone's "On Earth As It Is In Heaven". Epic. And fitting.


It's awesome to see how you've been able to raise the performance of the HD650s bit by bit over the past half year.  I admit I have more respect for these cans after I moved on from them--they're truly excellent and there's really no doubt in my mind I've been chasing diminishing returns since I left the FUN > HD650 rig behind.  Don't mean to make it sound like I regret moving up, I don't, but an NFB-12 > HD650 rig is something I (and my wallet) could have lived with (if I had to) indefinitely. 

 

Oh well, on to the HE-500s.  smile.gif


Edited by sphinxvc - 6/28/11 at 1:46pm
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Hey guys/girls! Looking for a new cable for my 650's and found these on ebay 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250718033117&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_1888wt_910

What do you think about the improvement over the stock cable, I've been thinking about going diy but since I live in sweden I have to order all of the parts overseas and If I don't order from the same place the cost for shipping will be quiet large. Talked to the guys at moon audio and for a diy blue dragon V3 I would pay roughly 160 usd with shipping so this seems a bit better...

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I LOVE the HD650. I love everything about them. I fell in love with them at first sight. They are just too beautiful. The moment I put them on, I fell in love with them all over again. Incredibly comfortable!!! They Fit my head perfectly. The shape of the pads and the feather weight construction that these cans have, I have never seen before. Before I put them on, I adjusted the sliders on the sides. Wow! So precise! The sliders are a little hard to adjust, but I like that because once I find the perfect length, I won’t need to adjust them again, unlike other phones that you have to adjust every time. I then noticed three dots that you can feel on the left slider right next to where it says “HD650.” You know the dots that blind folks use to read? Yes, those dots. These are not just for blind people! When i am in the dark and can’t see which side is left and which side is right, I just feel the dots and Voilà! That is the left side! That is what you call innovation. I was able to wear these cans for hours at a time with minimal fatigue. I sold my DT990 600 ohms because the highs were making my ears bleed. I couldn’t wear them for longer than 20 to 30 minutes. The highs of the HD650 are perfect for me! The mids are ASTONISHING. The lows are sooo deep like a closed can. I just put these on and I forget for a long time that I even have them on. The HD650 are definitely more comfortable than the DT990 600 ohms. The top padded part just felt too heavy on the DT990 after a while. Not with the HD650!!! They are sooo light. I also love how the wires run down from both drivers as opposed to just one in most other cans. The weight of the HD650 wire is evenly dispersed on both sides. ALLLLL these little things sum up to produce a luxurious set of headphones that are just mind blowing!

 

P.S. I am using The Apogee One to power these for the moment. I can only imagine how these are going to sound once I pair them with a proper tube amp!!!


Edited by KB24 - 6/28/11 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Aart View Post

My Bottlehead Crack OTL amplifier should be ready next week, looking for a good source: pc -> ??? -> Crack -> hd650.

Any ideas?


Hey Now,

 

I am using iMac > BitPerfect app w/iTunes >  Hiface > Audio-gd Ref 5 > Crack w/Speedball > HD650 and it sounds excellent. Very enjoyable and engaging. I have a Blue Dragon cable that I might re-terminate from the 4-pin XLR to a right angle Neutrik TRS plug, just using the stock cable right now.

 

--

Finest kind,

Chris 

 

p.s. +1 for JR, I got my pair for under 350 a few months ago.

 

 


Edited by ccklone - 6/28/11 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post



Sorry for not knowing, but between the two, is there a difference in the sound?USG


Yes... a big improvement in the sound.  Search through the HD650 and Senn threads and you'll find more than you want to know about the improvement in their sound.  But... in a nutshell... they no longer have the Senn "veil" and sound a whole lot brighter, clearer, and faster - more like the HD600's, or even Grados. 

 

post #3494 of 36851

hi guys i know i might be high jacking this forum but.......

 

i was wondering if anyone had a nuforce hdp and upgraded to have a schitt lyr added onto the system and how it changed the sound?

 

or if anyone has the lyr and how well it matched with the 650,s?

 

thanks all.

 

shaun

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Originally Posted by upstateguy View Post



Sorry for not knowing, but between the two, is there a difference in the sound?USG


Yes... a big improvement in the sound.  Search through the HD650 and Senn threads and you'll find more than you want to know about the improvement in their sound.  But... in a nutshell... they no longer have the Senn "veil" and sound a whole lot brighter, clearer, and faster - more like the HD600's, or even Grados. 

 

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