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post #346 of 36853
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
So... the Stax have enough bass for you?

What amp are you using with your Stax?

I've been thinking of trying them... but... have been scared off by the reports of limited, or distorted bass, and clinical highs.

I'm amazed that that you think the HD650s are comparable to the Stax - they have such different sound.
I would without hesitation urge anyone who has not had the unique experience of living with a set of Stax headpones and matching amp to definitely try it at least once.
As I have stated many time before, overall for total sound reproduction, the Stax, in a variety of types, are alone at the top of my list.
The stax amp that I am currently using is the SRM-313 which works quite well for the Lambdas that I have as well as the newer 303s and 404s. It is the best overall, reasonably priced, Stax amp that is currently available used and which is capable of driving a wide range of Stax phones. Their are others available but they cost at least twice, and often more, as much for limited improvement.
After all those glowing comments about Stax phones, do I consider them the "best" phones I have heard? Not necessarily. It all depends on what you mean by "best". That is why I seldom respond to thread polls that ask us to rate the "best" phones. If you mean best at overall sound reproduction, then for sure the Stax are first, hands down. But there is a lot more to the over all music experience that just "sound reproduction." In the world of "live music" which is ultimately where most of what we call "music" starts out, many other factors enter in. Individuals use terms like "sound stage", "feel",
"texture", "ambiance", "color" to try to capture these elusive elements. Quite frankly, none of the above is scientically measureable except for "sound reproduction".
All that being said, the Stax are not the best for "color", "feel", "texture" and other intangibles that are very important to most of us music lovers. With the Stax you get ruthless accuracy. Very little of what I use call "coloring."
Frankly I love the "warm", "intense", "all enveloping" feel of a live music concert in a small club. The stax are not "warm" and they are not "cold". The music is simply presented with almost total perfection.
If the Stax have a weakness, it is in the bass realm. From my research and experience, this has little to do with "sound reproduction", the bass is all there acurrately reproduced. It is the "feel" and "texture" of the bass that is the slightest bit missing compared with the HD650s.
I prefer the bass of the HD650s myself, but it is not because there is "more bass" or that is "better bass". It is just bass with more color and texture.
Senn is very up front that that created the HD650 deliberately that way. They were going after as much the "feel" and "texture" of live music as we acually experience it. And that they did very successfully.
In summary which would I choose as my "favorite" current phones or as the "best of the best." I simply refuse to make such a choice. That is why I have both of them!!!!!
If I were you I would pull the trigger and get the Stax. The bass is absolutely not "distorted" or "limited" in any sense, it is simply not supplemented or "enhanced" as most of us have come to expect. Whoever told you that the Stax highs are "clinical" needs to have an ear transplant.
The stax highs are simply the best period, no contest. They may be "transcendant" or "sublime" but they are definitely not "clinical."
post #347 of 36853
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Originally Posted by Akabeth View Post
Lots of bassheads on this thread.

No wonder why I loved them too
I'm not so much a basshead as much as someone who really wants well articulated, detailed bass, which these provide in spades. When I go the "Gimme BASS! Booyah!" route, I go with my Denons, lol...
post #348 of 36853
Thought I'd add myself to the list!

I've had my 650s for a few weeks. They are gorgeous. The one quality that gets my mouth watering thinking about them is their ability to produce, what they refer to in the manual as that "organic sound." I'd call it a woody sound...for example, a cello or an acoustic instrument's wood-body resonance. It's able to produce that organic-wood warmth. Of course, I thought I've heard it before, but I was really just being "told" about it with other cans. The 650s "produce it."

My beloved Ety's render every nuance on paper in this regard, for sure, but the 650s are actually capable of returning that organic, woody sound. Drums, guitars, et al have very organic resonant sounds, and the 650s are capable of making those lush earthy smells, (not just sounds but smells! ) come alive!

Okay I need a break. Just remember...650s are capable of producing wood.
post #349 of 36853

Ah Now... Much Better Than...

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
I will receive my "new" version HD650s today from B&H (same deal) to see how much they've improved from the "old" version driven by my DV332.

We'll see... few phones (if any) sound as good with the DV332 as the "new" version of the HD580/600s.

If the HD650s have improved enough to rival the "new" version of the HD580/600s, I'll keep them... if not...
Well... I received them today... plugged them in... and...

... "right out of the box" the "new" version of the HD650s are brighter and clearer than the "old" version, which I had and sold, because the were too dark and "veiled." They seem to have "tamed" their bass a bit - they don't actually physically "jump" on my head, as my "old" version did - that may have helped to remove their "veil."

In fact... at this point they sound an awful lot like my "new" version of the HD580/600s. So much so... in fact... I'm beginning to wonder... if... the rumors of the "new" drivers in the "new" HD580/600s being the same as the "new" drivers in the "new" HD650s... are... actually true. They sound a "heck uv a lot alike"... if not... identical.

It's too early to tell if they're enough improved to conclude they actually rival my "new" version of the HD580/600s... but... its certainly close.

The one thing that is... unquestionably certain... is... that the "new" version of the HD650s is "leagues better" than the "old" version! I now understand why... there is so much disparity of opinion regarding the sound of the HD650s! There are two different phones people are commenting about.

If you had (have) the "old" version of the HD650s, and are (were) unimpressed by them... I encourage you to try the "new" version of the HD650s - I think you'll be surprised and pleased with the improvement.
post #350 of 36853
Just couldn't hold off any longer $279, including the $50 rebate from Sennheiser was just to tempting. Now I'm thinking about the Darkvoice 332, it just might be on the way shortly. Great input on the thread, thanks to all.
post #351 of 36853

It Is A Great Price...

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Originally Posted by inthecup View Post
Just couldn't hold off any longer $279, including the $50 rebate from Sennheiser was just to tempting. Now I'm thinking about the Darkvoice 332, it just might be on the way shortly. Great input on the thread, thanks to all.
It is a great price - you will be very pleased - especially if combined with the DV332. You're just not going to find anything better at that price.

I would never have said that about the "old" version of the HD650s.
post #352 of 36853

Hd650 with DarkVoice 332

Go for it!!!
I totally love my HD650s that I have for almost a week now, seems like more than that.
My DarkVoice 332 is on its way from China.
Looking forward to comparing impressions.
post #353 of 36853
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Originally Posted by wsoxfan View Post
Go for it!!!
I totally love my HD650s that I have for almost a week now, seems like more than that.
My DarkVoice 332 is on its way from China.
Looking forward to comparing impressions.
Let me know about the DarkVoice 332, it's probably between the DarkVoice and the WA6, had my eyes on both for awhile. From what I understand they a good match for both the HD650 & SR225. OUCH, my wallet !!!!!!
post #354 of 36853
i just got my hd-650's about a week ago. Fantastic sound to them, now to build a headphone amp.....
post #355 of 36853
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
In fact... at this point they sound an awful lot like my "new" version of the HD580/600s. So much so... in fact... I'm beginning to wonder... if... the rumors of the "new" drivers in the "new" HD580/600s being the same as the "new" drivers in the "new" HD650s... are... actually true. They sound a "heck uv a lot alike"... if not... identical.
Wouldn't that greatly diminish "new" HD650 value? What's the point of paying premium for HD600 in a different cloth?
post #356 of 36853
im wondering if i have these 'new' 650's, as i wouldnt describe them as dark at all, really. nowhere near what i was expecting anyway.
post #357 of 36853

Of Course...

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post
Wouldn't that greatly diminish "new" HD650 value? What's the point of paying premium for HD600 in a different cloth?
Of course it would... but... have you been monitoring the price of the "new" HD650s recently? It's down to about $280 new (prices at B&H and J&R with rebate).

Moreover, Sennheiser would not expect many to discover this fact - if its true. They would expect the "masses" to continue buying the "new" HD650s, and never realize they sound virtually identical to the "new" HD580/600s. After all the "masses" do not read Headfi. But... they would have very quickly resolved the market's resistance to the "old" HD650s with their "veil," which seems totaly removed in the "new" HD650s.

I don't know that they will ultimately sound identical, when the "new" HD650s are fully burnt in - but right now they seem to. And... its at least close enough to avoid spending the greater dollars on the "new" HD650s, when they sound virtually identical to the "new" HD580/600s. We'll see...
post #358 of 36853

Just Look At Their...

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Originally Posted by james.miller View Post
im wondering if i have these 'new' 650's, as i wouldnt describe them as dark at all, really. nowhere near what i was expecting anyway.
Just look at the fabric covering the acoustic element / driver baffles - if its the white/silver metalic fabric, instead of the black fabric - you've got the "new" version.

Also... most units sold since early 2007 have been the "new" version - so, if you bought them new, since that time... they're likely the "new" version.

And... the "veil" was so prominent in the "old" version... you would readily hear it.
post #359 of 36853
do you mean the foam which can be removed (by pulling the earpads out)? that was black or the metallic stuff behind it? thats silver
post #360 of 36853

No...

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Originally Posted by james.miller View Post
do you mean the foam which can be removed (by pulling the earpads out)? that was black or the metallic stuff behind it? thats silver
No... you can see it from the outside through the screens. Its not the white cotton felt at the center, but the silvery fabric that extends out to the edges.
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