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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Really liking the HD650 through the Lyr. Never felt these cans were bass deficient, but the slam they deliver with this amp is surprising. No doubt those with big ticket headphones and gear will scoff and proclaim it as muddy and flabby, but the sum of the parts I'm hearing through my modest gear is quite something imo. basshead.gif



They'll always scoff with thier high end snobbery ha ha. You've got me wanting to try a Lyr, I do like my X can for the huge soundstage, but lately I'm thinking that it can be little soft sounding sometimes. Also it's an old amp and I'm thinking that I might be able to get better for the same price mark these days. Might try some different tubes before I plan another amp purchace though.  

 

Anyone got recommendations for Xcan3 tubes and 650?

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Really liking the HD650 through the Lyr. Never felt these cans were bass deficient, but the slam they deliver with this amp is surprising. No doubt those with big ticket headphones and gear will scoff and proclaim it as muddy and flabby, but the sum of the parts I'm hearing through my modest gear is quite something imo. basshead.gif


The 650's sound real good with the Lyr
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The HD650's balanced or from a good amp and source do a great job. Control the bass and if there was any smearing, it is cleared up and you have a nice dynamic pathway to music. 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Really liking the HD650 through the Lyr. Never felt these cans were bass deficient, but the slam they deliver with this amp is surprising. No doubt those with big ticket headphones and gear will scoff and proclaim it as muddy and flabby, but the sum of the parts I'm hearing through my modest gear is quite something imo. basshead.gif



Man, now you've done it. Originally I was leaning towards the Lyr for my 650's after doing some research around here. Of course that same research brought me to the WA6 which I eventually changed my mind to. Now you have me reconsidering the Lyr again and saving the extra cash.

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Really liking the HD650 through the Lyr. Never felt these cans were bass deficient, but the slam they deliver with this amp is surprising.


Indeed. :)

 

 

 

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The HD 650 was too laidback(I like analytical headphones) for my taste so I decided to mod it.

 

I cut out the center foam(increase clarity and highs, I really like this mod) and removed the back driver foam(increase bass and soundstage). There was too much bass from removing the back driver foam so I added a thinner foam, which still have the increase in soundstage and the bass is around the same level as it was unmodded. If you remove the whole foam between the driver and the earpad, you lose bass.

 

Pics for the curious ones. If anybody want a tutorial, PM or reply to this post, I can write one.

 

HD535 earpads

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HD 535 eapads+driver

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HD 535, back of driver without foam

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HD 600, back of driver with thinner foam. I'm using a HD 535 headband with my HD 600

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HD 600, back of driver with thinner foam. I'm using a HD 535 headband with my HD 600

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Thats how I've got the foam on my drivers, after a lot of experimenting. It opens them up but stil controls the bass more than removing it all. I put the foam back on the inside of he pads though as I think it helps to control the frequencies.    

 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

 

Anyone got recommendations for Xcan3 tubes and 650?

 

 

 

Get the Russian Saratov 6N1P (if I recall correctly) - you need to search for the X-CAN v3 threads - you'll find all you want to know, about what tubes to use.

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The substitution of the cable stock, how much does it improve the sound?
 
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Originally Posted by [OverDrive] View Post

 

The substitution of the cable stock, how much does it improve the sound?
 


About this much.

 

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Originally Posted by Kees View Post




About this much.

 


In my case it was a little more, about that much. 

 

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Thanks to both.
What do you think the of it this cable?
 


I don't think of it. If I'd want to know what difference it makes on my HD650, I'd buy it and listen carefully. Then I'd decide if the difference to me is this big or that big.

 

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Originally Posted by [OverDrive] View Post

 

The substitution of the cable stock, how much does it improve the sound?
 


This varies between cables based on my experience. To me, probably less than 5% difference. To MY ears, each wire I've tried made my headphones sound different. For example, on the Canare with the HD-650 I lost treble and got the impression of less sound clarity. It could have been due to the increase in bass. Despite this, it did do a few things better than stock. I don't suggest Canare for the HD-650 at all.

 

If you're interested in cables, start out with something CHEAP and just make a Mogami cable (80 cents per foot!). It's quite easy and It will cost you less than $40 (half of it goes to Cardas Connectors). I did this and heard a difference and it was worth every penny. I now am curious if the more expensive DHC and Cardas wire will be even an upgrade to the Mogami. I hope so. Even if it's a 3% improvement over the Mogami, than that's good enough for me, but I still have my doubts. I'd make my own cable though with bulk wire. I'm too cheap and would never buy a pre-built cable over $200. If you want to make a Double Helix cable it will cost about $60 for the wire in bulk..so under $90 to DIY. I didn't even know how to solder 2 months ago and doing this saved me some money and it's kind of fun.

 

For me, the Mogami didn't change the HD-650's signature much at all, just improve what is already there. Felt like there was a clearer sound, more detail and I got the impression of a larger soundstage. Then if you don't feel there is a difference you can just sell off the cable. Some might not hear a difference, but I sure did.  Strangely there was a bigger difference when I put the Mogami on the 598. Not sure why.

 

I wonder if there's any good cheap wire that's even better than the Mogami that's around the same price. So far I've heard of Belden, Gotham and a few others...don't know much about them. It seems the DIY people only use Canare or Mogami.

 

BTW that cable in the link has a fair price. You're paying a little for labor obviously, but for many it's worth it. Making it yourself (with the same DHC) would only save you less than $40 probably.

 


Edited by tdockweiler - 5/16/11 at 8:36am
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I keep trying, without success, to find a headphone I like better than my 650's. So far, I haven't.

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