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Thanks for the replies! I'll be calling JR, I've bought quite a bit of photo stuff from them, so I prefer to throw money their way. I'm a terrible haggler though ... maybe I'll mention head fi if he doesn't offer up a good price within a few minutes.

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If you are looking for a pair of HD650s that are basically brand new, I have a pair for sale in the FS/FT forum HERE.

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If you are looking for a pair of HD650s that are basically brand new, I have a pair for sale in the FS/FT forum HERE.


PM sent!

 

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You can quantify anything if you believe in science. Do you 3 not believe in frequency graphs?

 

There is a multitude of better or worse degees (higher/lower) in how we perceive sound. If we are to use linguistics (is there any other way on a forum?)  

 

I think at this point, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.  And for the record, one does not "believe" in science, that would defeat the purpose.  
 

 

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You've never kept a headphone long enough to test anything biggrin.gif

 

We live in a mathlematic world, If I pay twice as much for something better, I expect it to be twice as good. I will measure this quality; subjectively.   


In the "mathematical world", diminishing returns are also a reality.  


Edited by sphinxvc - 5/13/11 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by brasewel View Post

 

"x3. You cannot quantify sound as a quantity. It either better or not, thats all". 

 

 

You can quantify anything if you believe in science. Do you 3 not believe in frequency graphs?

 

There is a multitude of better or worse degees (higher/lower) in how we perceive sound. If we are to use linguistics (is there any other way on a forum?)  


If you are able to quantify different "degrees" of sound, well I can't really say much. If a headphone is technically superior than another in resolution, detail retrieval, soundstage etc etc, are you seriously telling me you can measure the difference?? This is really laughable.

 

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If you are able to quantify different "degrees" of sound, well I can't really say much. If a headphone is technically superior than another in resolution, detail retrieval, soundstage etc etc, are you seriously telling me you can measure the difference?? This is really laughable.

 



No, there is only "better" ha ha ha ha deadhorse.gif

 

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I think at this point, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.  And for the record, one does not "believe" in science, that would defeat the purpose.  
 

 

 

 


In the "mathematical world", diminishing returns are also a reality.

 

Good god man... diminishing returns was my orgininal point! Please read my original post again and then drop it. It has spoiled a very usefull and informative comparison between two headphones, one which is a possible upgrade.

 

deadhorse.gif   



 

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Edited by sphinxvc - 5/13/11 at 10:04am
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I think when science meets art, as it does in audio reproduction, the rules for art are predominant.  What are those rules anyway?  I like what I know or I know what I like.

 

 The quantifying with some vague price/performance ratio is only useful to an individual trying to justify or rationalize a purchase.  If you had a rich uncle who would buy you any headphone you chose from a large selection, based on a blind evaluation, you would probably not try to compare as one is 2x better or 3x better than another.  You would just choose the one that sounded the best, or was the most comfortable, or whatever is your main criteria.  You would not choose according to brand or price, unless you happened to know which cans were on your head from being previously familiar with them.  I think if there is any value in comparison by multiples, it is for the sake of conversation to convey a level of enthusiam for a particular headphone.  It is like saying "sounds really good" or "is superior in every way".

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"In the "mathematical world", diminishing returns are also a reality. " ----oh, man that was good.

 

 

 


Edited by jeust0999 - 5/13/11 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Fastlane View Post

I think when science meets art, as it does in audio reproduction, the rules for art are predominant.  What are those rules anyway?  I like what I know or I know what I like.

 

 The quantifying with some vague price/performance ratio is only useful to an individual trying to justify or rationalize a purchase.  If you had a rich uncle who would buy you any headphone you chose from a large selection, based on a blind evaluation, you would probably not try to compare as one is 2x better or 3x better than another.  You would just choose the one that sounded the best, or was the most comfortable, or whatever is your main criteria.  You would not choose according to brand or price, unless you happened to know which cans were on your head from being previously familiar with them.  I think if there is any value in comparison by multiples, it is for the sake of conversation to convey a level of enthusiam for a particular headphone.  It is like saying "sounds really good" or "is superior in every way".



Very interesting point and a breath of fresh air, thank you. I could conversate/debate with you all night and thoroughly enjoy it!  However, it probably belongs to the sound science forum on headfi.

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Can we please put this back to a HD650 discussion thread, not a thread to argue about different tiers of headphones?

Mackat
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I have a question that can maybe re-focus people back onto the 650s! So, I just got a KICAS amp used on here, hooked it up to my brand new Pure i20 and I'm listening to my Shure 535 IEMs (which I'm returning in favor of the 650s) and now these little beasts are really impressing me.

 

My question is, honestly, how do the Senn's compare to the Shure's? I know it's impossible to compare soundstage but I'm not so worried about that. I'm wondering if the 650s will be as clear, with nice balance and remarkable mids ... I picked the 650s because I gleaned that they sound closest to the "Shure sound" out of all the mid-range cans.

 

I tried the Shure 840's but didn't like them, basically really nice mids but kind of shrill highs and zero bass.

 

All inherent differences aside, are the 650s a clear upgrade from the Shure 535? Or at least comparable?

 

Thanks!

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I am in the can't wait till they get here mode. Just picked up a set from JRs for $329. This forum is costing me a fortune now what amp would pair nicely with these in the 500-1200 range? Thanks
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I am in the can't wait till they get here mode. Just picked up a set from JRs for $329. This forum is costing me a fortune now what amp would pair nicely with these in the 500-1200 range? Thanks



It may be costing you a fortune but its a sound investment! years of listening pleasure to look forward to. The X can 3 works for me, probably pick one up now for about $400 2nd hand.

 

There are loads of amps that will drive the 650's well, but finding synergy is another thing. I'd go for a hybrid if poss, as the 650's respond better with S/S timing and sharpness, and tubes always provide a bigger soundstage.

 

Any more recommendations guys?

 

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