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post #3196 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

I personally feel the LCD-2, HD800 and HE-6 are not much better than the HD650s. Build a setup around any of those and you'll get spectacular sound. The first 3 will scale higher but it's not like they'll completely embarrass the HD650s...IMO ofcourse.



How do you find the Highs on the HD800 in comparison to the HD650? I believe that the strong point of the HD650 is the smooth and detailed highs. It's a very relaxing and joyful experience IMO.

post #3197 of 36831
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Just to repeat,

"I think it has been established that the LCD2's are MUCH better, but until I hear them for myself, I will still doubt that they are "3 times better" "

 

I've already thanked everyone for their comments on the LCD2's in regards to a possible upgrade from the 650's. There has actually been some very constructive points raised.


I have never had a headphone that was "X" times as good as another. Never. Each headphone succeeds in it's own right and simply cannot be compared in a way of being better by a certain number of times. Even my HE-4 isn't 10x better than my PortaPros, because not only is it nearly impossible to measure that way, but it really just is irrelevant to do so. Actually, I even think that something like the HD800 isn't 100x better than earbuds -- I personally don't think it can even be 5x better. They both play sound, you'll hear the music, the lyrics won't change, and stuff isn't really left out. So all we are chasing is refinement, and you really cannot measure that. And if we think we can, it's going to be smaller numbers.

 


Edited by Katun - 5/12/11 at 6:02pm
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stock & with the amps (mainly vintage integrated & receivers) i have, im 'fraid the relatively lowly HE5LE outguns my HD650 in almost every department ceptin smoothness. the HD650 is smoother & hence less to almost zero tendency towards sibilance makes it my goto cans for lesser material or when i just wanna relax to background music.

 

that said, i can hear the HD650 scaling abilities everytime i change to a more synergistic amp. the 650 can sound flabby, slow & rolloff to balanced & very articulated with the change in amplification. infact on my current amp, i have a tendency to turn up the bass tone controls a notch or 2 depending on the material because i found it bass lite if one bliv the 650 can be called that. just shows what a chameleon the 650 is. i cant comment on other setups (esp balanced & all) but on mine & its variations, stock for stock, my hifiman orthos outguns the 650.

 

however i still very much in love with the 650 to the point of planning a diy recable to bring it up another notch as clarity & articulation is one of the aspects that i found lacking. i think keeping the 650 & wanting to upgrade it as much as i possible can says as much about it as anything else - its that good esp for a measly coupla hun.

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Loving the HD-650 so much right now. This headphone just hasn't been the same after upgrading it to the Mogami (converting it from Canare). I probably listened to it all night the other day and didn't want to sleep. Today I even listened to them un-amped for a half hour while doing some work around the house. Don't hate me, it's not that bad! Ok, I had an E5 to help and 30 minutes isn't going to be that awful.

 

I also found out that I've come to the conclusion that I don't like them much with the foam in. I'm willing to put up some minor negatives for the improvements. I've replaced it with some super thin Parts Express speaker grill cloth. I've gone back and forth too many times and can't live with the foam.

 

Strangely enough, the Canare is better for very bright and treble happy headphones. On my K702 it added some bass and rolled off the highs, but at the same time I lost some background detail. I was watching the movie "Human Planet" today and vocals sounded more recessed than before. Guess that's what I get for the extra bass. Can't have anything. Making an AKG cable and soldering those mini-XLRs is a pain and makes those Sennheiser connectors look easy. At least my K702 now has less treble and I wanted that normal_smile%20.gif It's definitely now more relaxed.

 

HD-650 has always been my most listened to headphone, but I've had to spend a lot of money and time to get it just right.

 

BTW I've been listening to the Mogami on the HD-650 for so long that the soundstage feels much larger. I also got the impression of better imaging, but I'd imagine that'd be impossible for a cable to do. No signature changes at all, just improvements of what was already there. Definitely more detail for sure. Slightly clearer sound now too. There is definitely no loss of treble that the Canare had. Now I just need to find someone who has compared the DH wire and the Mogami. If the DH is only a 3% improvement, then it'd be totally worth it for me. I definitely am getting to be quite the fan of (cheap) cable upgrades. Not when they cost $200+ though! Maybe that's why everyone hates them! $40 for a minor cable upgrade is worth it if you already love the HD-650. Making your own cables is kind of fun too and my soldering skills aren't even the best.

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Originally Posted by homeros8000 View Post





How do you find the Highs on the HD800 in comparison to the HD650? I believe that the strong point of the HD650 is the smooth and detailed highs. It's a very relaxing and joyful experience IMO.


The HD800s have significantly more treble, but it's of better quality throughout. That's one of the major areas of improvement...treble and the other is speed/soundstage. The 800s have a 6KHz peak that I feel isn't natural, but a copper recable mitigates it for the most part, while adding more warmth. I still enjoy the recabled 650s just as much as the 800s, and more than the HE-6s.

 

The LCD-2 reminds me a lot of a well-driven (recabled) HD650 but it's different...every planar I've owned/heard has had a unique flavour that's not found in dynamics. However, I don't think the LCD-2 beat the 650s in every area, despite being better overall IMO.


Edited by Shahrose - 5/12/11 at 6:26pm
post #3201 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post


I have never had a headphone that was "X" times as good as another. Never. Each headphone succeeds in it's own right and simply cannot be compared in a way of being better by a certain number of times. Even my HE-4 isn't 10x better than my PortaPros, because not only is it nearly impossible to measure that way, but it really just is irrelevant to do so. Actually, I even think that something like the HD800 isn't 100x better than earbuds -- I personally don't think it can even be 5x better. They both play sound, you'll hear the music, the lyrics won't change, and stuff isn't really left out. So all we are chasing is refinement, and you really cannot measure that. And if we think we can, it's going to be smaller numbers.

 


x2. You cannot quantify sound as a quantity. It either better or not, thats all.

 

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Originally Posted by brasewel View Post

x2. You cannot quantify sound as a quantity. It either better or not, thats all.

 



x3

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I just won an eBay bid on a brand new pair of HD650's.  I'm looking forward to joining the ranks of HD650 appreciators.

 

A little history.. I purchased the HD600's in January.  Since then, I had a nagging feeling that I should have got the HD650's instead but they were not in stock at the time.  I have read every post on this thread and the nagging got worse until tonight when I pulled the trigger.

 

In the interim, I have enjoyed the HD600's, upgraded my amplification to the FiiO E7/E9 combo and re-cabled with the Moon Black Dragon. I also have a Matrix Mini-i on order so I should be well set when the HD650's arrive.

I'm hoping that the HD650/Matrix Mini-i combo will be a little more forgiving than the HD600/FiiO combo with not so perfectly recorded music.  With a well recorded source, the HD600/FiiO combo is simply terrific. (almost all of my music is Apple lossless)

 

Looking forward to recieving my HD650's and joining the ranks!

post #3204 of 36831
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Originally Posted by homeros8000 View Post





How do you find the Highs on the HD800 in comparison to the HD650? I believe that the strong point of the HD650 is the smooth and detailed highs. It's a very relaxing and joyful experience IMO.


I personally do not like the highs on the HD800. I found it too bright and discomforting after a while and it's one of the few headphones I dislike.

 

post #3205 of 36831

Sorry to bust in on the conversation but where is the best place to pick these up at a good price? I remember reading something about an eBay store that sells them for ~ $350? Any coupons or suggestions for haggling with merchants? I'm SUPER excited to get these, I'm coming from IEM's and just ordered an amp ... ready for my first taste of mid/hi - fi

 

Thanks for any help ya'll can give ...

post #3206 of 36831

Curious, have any other present or ex-650 owners tried the 5LEs? 

 

I know Shah has tried the 5s but those are supposed to be a less tonally balanced than the 5LEs are.

post #3207 of 36831

Just do a search on eBy for Sennheiser HD650.. there are a number of current auctions at around $365. The auction I won had 0 bids in the last half hour so I went for it.

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Call JR.com and ask if they have any sales on the HD-650. They first wanted to sell them for around $369 or so I think. I hesitated for a few seconds and then before saying anything else they came down to $329! My first pair had a defect so I had to return it, but I got a replacement. I got this price about 2 months ago.

 

I don't know if they'll bite if you come right out and ask for them for $329, but you might get close.

 

I myself would never pay over $400 for them, but $329 is a good deal. They even offered to ship them by next day for $14, which is probably a bit of a discount.

 

Now if only they had sales on the W1000X, but that'll probably never happen normal_smile%20.gif

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Originally Posted by franklyshankly View Post

Sorry to bust in on the conversation but where is the best place to pick these up at a good price? I remember reading something about an eBay store that sells them for ~ $350? Any coupons or suggestions for haggling with merchants? I'm SUPER excited to get these, I'm coming from IEM's and just ordered an amp ... ready for my first taste of mid/hi - fi

 

Thanks for any help ya'll can give ...



 

post #3209 of 36831
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post


I have never had a headphone that was "X" times as good as another. Never. Each headphone succeeds in it's own right and simply cannot be compared in a way of being better by a certain number of times. Even my HE-4 isn't 10x better than my PortaPros, because not only is it nearly impossible to measure that way, but it really just is irrelevant to do so. Actually, I even think that something like the HD800 isn't 100x better than earbuds -- I personally don't think it can even be 5x better. They both play sound, you'll hear the music, the lyrics won't change, and stuff isn't really left out. So all we are chasing is refinement, and you really cannot measure that. And if we think we can, it's going to be smaller numbers.

 



You've never kept a headphone long enough to test anything biggrin.gif

 

We live in a mathlematic world, If I pay twice as much for something better, I expect it to be twice as good. I will measure this quality; subjectively.   

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Originally Posted by brasewel View Post

 

"x3. You cannot quantify sound as a quantity. It either better or not, thats all". 

 

 

You can quantify anything if you believe in science. Do you 3 not believe in frequency graphs?

 

There is a multitude of better or worse degees (higher/lower) in how we perceive sound. If we are to use linguistics (is there any other way on a forum?)  

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