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post #316 of 36903

Can You Really Tell...

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Originally Posted by GreatDane View Post
I've experimented for over a year with the foam in front.In the end I prefer the foam with a "nickel mod" and fiberglass window screen underneath. I also like the sound of the rear foam removed.
Can you really tell the difference with the small piece of "rear foam" removed - does it make that much difference?

Also... can you tell the difference between the sound of the "nickel mod" and just having the fiberglass windows screen underneath - does the "nickel mod" make that much difference, over the just the window screen?
post #317 of 36903
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Originally Posted by analogbox View Post
IMHO, HD650 stock sounds depthful rather than bass heavy nor dominant. I removed the foams on my HD650 to see what the talk is about and the result was just disappointing. The detail was there but like somebody mentioned before, it made it sound grainy and thin. It also took away the warmness that I love in Senn phones. Without a doubt, I immediately put the foam back and would never take it out again.

A belated thank you for your thoughts.
post #318 of 36903
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
Can you really tell the difference with the small piece of "rear foam" removed - does it make that much difference?

Also... can you tell the difference between the sound of the "nickel mod" and just having the fiberglass windows screen underneath - does the "nickel mod" make that much difference, over the just the window screen?


To my ears the difference with the rear foam removed was obvious the first time I listened. A few months ago I met with a couple head-fi members who both own unmodded 650s. They both heard what I hear, which is a wider soundstage...a more open sound. They both had never heard a 650 with the front foam removed either so that could also have influenced them. One member asked me to remove the rear foam on his 650 after he heard mine.

I have changed the front foam in and out many times and always preffered them with no foam so I finally decided to mod the foam. I figure having the foam cut out still "de-foams" them while keeping sound from possibly reflecting from the plastic baffle.That is just a theory.
post #319 of 36903
I'm using one of the "new" pair with my Apogee Duet and it is superb -- open, fairly quick, detailed. Perhaps the eerie clarity of the Duet just suits these phones, but the sound is good enough that I'm going to hold off on going balanced for another month or so. I do seem to prefer these to my older pair but I never did a side-by-side comparison so perhaps it's just a case of fresh ears. Anyway, I'm hanging onto these.

best,

o
post #320 of 36903

How Do They Compare...

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Originally Posted by orkney View Post
I'm using one of the "new" pair with my Apogee Duet and it is superb -- open, fairly quick, detailed. Perhaps the eerie clarity of the Duet just suits these phones, but the sound is good enough that I'm going to hold off on going balanced for another month or so. I do seem to prefer these to my older pair but I never did a side-by-side comparison so perhaps it's just a case of fresh ears. Anyway, I'm hanging onto these.

best,

o
How do the "new" HD650s compare to your D5000s? If you can remember the sound of the D5000s.

Is the treble brighter, or darker?

Are they more or less detailed?

Are they more or less clear?

Is the bass more or less tight and controlled?

I'm trying to determine, if the "new" HD650s still have the "veil" the "old" ones had. They would be much better than the old ones... if... the veil is gone, and they sound bright, clear and detailed like the "new" HD600s, but with big, tight, controlled bass - which would be a lot like the D5000s.
post #321 of 36903
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
How do the "new" HD650s compare to your D5000s? If you can remember the sound of the D5000s.

Is the treble brighter, or darker?

Are they more or less detailed?

Are they more or less clear?

Is the bass more or less tight and controlled?

I'm trying to determine, if the "new" HD650s still have the "veil" the "old" ones had. They would be much better than the old ones... if... the veil is gone, and they sound bright, clear and detailed like the "new" HD600s, but with big, tight, controlled bass - which would be a lot like the D5000s.
I've not done any listening to the D5000s in a while. I owned a pair for several months and have a pair on loan at the office and though I enjoy them I strongly prefer the DX1000s as closed phones and I think these HD650s as well overall. I'm using the HP-out of the Duet, which seems to do especially well with the Senns, so perhaps they're at an unfair advantage, but they're very open and detailed, with better front-back and side-side layering than the D5000s on the operatic and acoustic stuff I've been working to lately.

These HD650s seem leaner in the bass than the Denons and certainly the DX1000s, though they go quite deep and track bass lines well. They have a lovely, hear-through midrange which works very well on female vocals -- Alison Krauss' live album sounds incredibly good -- and I seem to get a pretty sparkly treble, though without the DX1000's extension. To be honest, I think I prefer the HD650's presentation over the D5000; it seems less hifi to me and lacks the overcooked bass and slightly distant mids I associate with the Denons but, again, I don't have them side by side right now and the Duet sounds better with higher-impedance cans to my ears. I prefer the DX1000 to both I'm afraid, but then they're my 2gether 4ever headphones.

I'll bring the D5000s home next week but I'm not sure it'd be worth much, given that my only amp in-house is the Duet. I'm really liking the combo, though, lots of music here, and at a reasonable outlay. I can imagine a Mac owner trying out the HD650/Duet and deciding that's all s/he needs. Sorry I can't be more helpful on the HD650/ D5000 comparo but I'm sure others will chime in.

best,

o
post #322 of 36903
See sig. for setup. These headphones have just blown my mind lately. They sounded decent directly out of my laptop, but my full system takes them to that special place. And this is transitioning from the K701, mind you, which is no slouch. I can describe the sound as being just astonishingly coherent, as if every sound is in its correct place. The listening experience is pleasant, especially with classical music. The only thing I've heard that exceeds this is the Stax O2, which will be my next purchase.
post #323 of 36903
ive listened to the D5000s, the markl modded and the normal ones. The normal 5000s seems a bit harsh, they really dont sound closed with the right amp. The modded version (markl does a great job, listened to these at tyrion's house when he had them) seems more up front with tighter bass. They at times did seem harsh to the normal ear, however i found them rich and detailed. The mod seems to tame alot of the bass to even out the sound and not sound bassey.

The 650s are a darker signature completely....the cymbal doesnt have that ring, i mean its ok, just lacks that snap you get with the 5000s. They are smoother across the board, with a much more airy type bass. Also the soundstage seems a tad bigger with the 650s. However the 650s really require a good powerful amp to sound their best, the 5000s seems they could perform better with a smaller amp.

Either one you would really be impressed with i think...if you want more detail, brightness, go with the 5000s. If you want a bigger soundstage, darker signature, airy bass, go with the 650s.

If you do go with the 5000s i would suggest the markl mods, really does tame the bass and gives it a nice thump that wont rattle your brain.

If you go with the 650s, be sure to look for a cable upgrade...the Cardas, the SAA, the Enigma Oracle (i use) are a very nice upgrade and really brings out the best the 650s.

Of course this is if you have a decent amp and or source already.

I actually traded my 701s for the 650s. I really found myself doing a big loop going from sennheiser, to grado, to AKG and back to Sennheiser, now want the D2000s.
post #324 of 36903
^

Anybody who likes the 650s will inevitably be drawn to at least some of the multitude of upgrade possibilities available. Sorry for the wallet, but I see this as a huge plus. I wish it were the case that all headphones scaled as well or could be transformed by an easy cable swap. The folks at Sennheiser are true geniuses.
post #325 of 36903
While waiting for a 40-minute software build to complete I decided to remove the front foam from my 650's. Much better!

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Originally Posted by GreatDane View Post
I figure having the foam cut out still "de-foams" them while keeping sound from possibly reflecting from the plastic baffle.That is just a theory.
That seems very reasonable. I think I'll try the nickel mod.

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Originally Posted by onform View Post
I am a purist at heart and dont think you can beat the simplicity and purity of the little OTL earmaxpro. my two pence..


I really fell in love with this amp at can-ham. Auditioned playing some loseless via my iPod160 and ALO Jumbo Cyro LOD. Liquid, organic, euphoric. Or was that the rum?
post #326 of 36903
God Im missing my HD650!!!! Why did i sell it!!!? *shoots self*
post #327 of 36903
Ok, time for me to show the love...

A long time ago, I tried Senns at The Good Guys, don't remember which models though. They certainly didn't have 650's. They were coming out of a Sony CDP's headphone jack. I remember thinking "these are the most expensive they have, and they sound like crap!". Totally bass-shy, too airy and weak, nothing to convince me they were worth it. I figured they were overhyped and overpriced. I tried Sony MDR-V700s and fell in love (this was long before I knew anything about anything, lol). Bass, lots of it, LOUD, exciting...all the things an idiot could want. Years later, I picked up some HD590's and fell in love all over again. By then, I'd learned a few things about hi-fi, and figured this was as good as it (and I could afford) could get. They were enough to nudge me in the direction of Senns, and open phones in general. Later still, after getting a portable amp, Ety's, and a craving for more, more, more, and after reading tons of reviews, I lusted for the 650s. When I got them a few months ago, they set off a whole chain reaction of upgrades (see the sig for the result, lol). I've loved every purchase, but the phones themselves are my nearest and dearest. So comfy, so awesome sounding, they do everything right. Deep, detailed bass, warm, dark, seductive, clear, and phenominal control of everything I throw at them. I picked up the Denons, and for a while felt guilty, like I was somehow cheating on my Senns, but like a good woman, they are always there for me. I love the Denons for some things, the Senns for others, and they seem to have reached a time-share agreement over my ears, but if I had to only ever have one pair of phones again, I'd have to keep my first true love.
post #328 of 36903
^^^
"... and they seem to have reached a time-share agreement over my ears ..."

I like that! Another meme is born...
post #329 of 36903
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Originally Posted by Golden Monkey View Post
A long time ago, I tried Senns at The Good Guys, don't remember which models though. They certainly didn't have 650's. They were coming out of a Sony CDP's headphone jack. I remember thinking "these are the most expensive they have, and they sound like crap!". Totally bass-shy, too airy and weak, nothing to convince me they were worth it. I figured they were overhyped and overpriced.
When my 650's arrived in the mail, I plugged them into the headphone jack on my Denon 3805 receiver and had the same reaction as you did at Good Guys. But when I tried them with the headphone jack on a Carver C-1 preamp, they sounded great, and there was no shortage of bass. Clearly the 3805's headphone amp is one of those "afterthought" designs. My 650's sound even better with the MicroAmp that I bought from HeadRoom.
post #330 of 36903
I never listen to the HD650s out of the headphone jack <_<

Either way, they are on the dark side of the sound signature, but I listen mostly to classical so it gives it a sort of glowing warmth I really like. Definitely the can I reach for most of the time even though I grab the Denon D5000 now and then.
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