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post #301 of 36835

Are They...

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Originally Posted by mojolo View Post
... i hear more details and feel more surrounded by the music than with my D2000's or ESW9's. the ESW9's are pretty detailed and transparent too, but the HD650's feel a bit more laid back, cleaner and relaxing to my ears.

i listen to a lot of electronica where the - tat tsst tsst tat - sounds can sometimes produce piercing sibilance. happy to say that while these sounds are still as clear and detailed with the hd650's, they don't cause fatigue...
Are they as bright and detailed as your D2000s, or are the highs more subdued?

Of course, they may brighten up with burn in.
post #302 of 36835
not as bright but more detailed.

i'll do my best to describe what i'm hearing, but i might be lacking the vocabulary.

i listed to some nu-jazz:

the Denon's made the highs more pronounced and fuller (not sure how else to describe it). at times it makes them feel more involving, but i feel that the Senn's highs are more detailed, cleaner and more natural sounding - though more laid back.

i listened to Made of Bricks by Kate Nash (to me, this album can bring out a lot of sibilance)

with the Denons, the upper mids/highs can get a little painful, but not too bad. the Senn's feel just about right here. the highs feel pronounced and detailed, but the sibilance is well tamed. i found this to be the case with some of the trance and progressive house i listen to as well.


..........all to my neophyte ears of course. (
post #303 of 36835
just a quick question....

any remove the foam between you ear and the speaker?

A few thoughts.

I just thoughts i would try it and see how it sounded. I have to admit its seems more detailed, however the bass is somewhat gone. I think its a more grainy type of sound to it thought. Which could explain why it sounds more detailed.

Another thought...anyone who has done this, has there every been a problem with not having the foam there?
post #304 of 36835

Suggest...

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Originally Posted by HighLife View Post
just a quick question....

any remove the foam between you ear and the speaker?

A few thoughts.

I just thoughts i would try it and see how it sounded. I have to admit its seems more detailed, however the bass is somewhat gone. I think its a more grainy type of sound to it thought. Which could explain why it sounds more detailed.

Another thought...anyone who has done this, has there every been a problem with not having the foam there?
I suggest you replace the foam with nylon stocking fabric to prevent dust from getting to the drivers. You can also use fiberglass / plastic window screen mesh from the hardware store if you want less restriction. It will protect the drivers, but allows dust through. Most others have used one of these materials.
post #305 of 36835
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
I suggest you replace the foam with nylon stocking fabric to prevent dust from getting to the drivers. You can also use fiberglass / plastic window screen mesh from the hardware store if you want less restriction. It will protect the drivers, but allows dust through. Most others have used one of these materials.

hmm, i thought of nylons for the material...doesnt it smear the sparkle a bit? Maybe i should try it again.
post #306 of 36835
My HD650's are the new version.
I bought them for $315 from Headroom B-Stock (missing the 1/8 adapter).
They have this number behind the foam pads/earcups:
065456

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post
Has anyone bought their HD650s from these vendors:

Did anyone purchase them from any other vendor for less than $330... and... were they the new version?

Thanks...
post #307 of 36835
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Originally Posted by HighLife View Post
hmm, i thought of nylons for the material...doesnt it smear the sparkle a bit? Maybe i should try it again.
I did the APS mod and I don't have anything in front of the drivers. I see no reason to use nylon or anything else.
post #308 of 36835

I Thought...

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Originally Posted by jantze View Post
I did the APS mod and I don't have anything in front of the drivers. I see no reason to use nylon or anything else.
I thought other reports suggested that removing the foam from the butt of the driver (small circle of foam on the outside covering the white felt) - did not add a very noticeable improvement in clarity. Is that right?

Is that foam there just to help hold the felt in place - to better protect the rear of the drivers?

Also - replacing the foam under the ear pads with nylon stocking fabric (or something similar) is just to prevent dust and hairs, etc. from accumulating on the drivers.
post #309 of 36835
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Originally Posted by HighLife View Post
just a quick question....

any remove the foam between you ear and the speaker?

A few thoughts.

I just thoughts i would try it and see how it sounded. I have to admit its seems more detailed, however the bass is somewhat gone. I think its a more grainy type of sound to it thought. Which could explain why it sounds more detailed.

Another thought...anyone who has done this, has there every been a problem with not having the foam there?
I removed it, listened for half an hour and put it back. I prefer the sound with the foam, it sounds better to me. Can't pinpoint what sounds better though.

Anyway I'm really enjoying my HD650s now. Took a bit of getting used to at first, but now they're really nice. Tori Amos sounds lovely through them.
post #310 of 36835
Inquiring minds are inquiring again: does removing the foam in front of the 650's transducers balance out the sound? IOW, does the treble, midrange and bass exist in fairly equal amounts with the foam removed, or does the bass still dominate?

{I am trying to determine if it is worthwhile to purchase the 650 over the 600. I preferred balanced, neutral sound. I know the 650's bass tends to dominate with the foam intact on modest systems. I am not sure if this is still the case with the foam removed, particularly with amps strong enough to drive the bass properly.}
post #311 of 36835

Balanced now!

Check list:

I have RSA Apache supporting XLR input and output. CHECK
I have Equinox XLR for HD650. CHECK
I have interconnect XLR Bis Audio. CHECK
I have source with true balanced output. CHECK

PLAY

8-)

In general : (I own Equinox cable in Singleend too .. so able to A/B easily)

- More wide soundstage and depth
- Mode details
- Vocals are clearer (no veil at all)
- Not sure about dynamic and bass ...

Depending what recording I listen, results can be pretty similar to very different.

My cables still burning ... 24 hrs done / 96 required.
post #312 of 36835
Just for reference:

I compared tonight

Single end all the way:
CD player (Arc CD3mk2) -> Oritek X-2 RCA -> SP MPX3 Slam -> HD650 Equinox LE

to

Balanced all the way:
CD player (Arc CD3mk2) -> Bis Audio XLR -> RSA Apache -> HD650 Equinox XLR


In order, I prefer thoses aspects in music:

- Musicality
- Tonalities
- Vocal's Richness
- Depth of soundstage
- Airy
- Dynamic
- Bass impact
- Details
- Width of soundstage

My XLR cables still in burn-in ...
At this step, my single-end setup is the most satisfacting ... because I use a tube amp and it give me musicality, tonalities and vocal's richness I like so much.

I listening most of time vocals (Alison Krauss, Norah Jones, Patricia Barber, Holly Cole, Elsa, Josh Groban, Celtic Woman. Soundtrack, jazz/blues, Rock .. almost never.

Using Apache between SingleEnd and balanced ... balanced win without difficulties. My audio bliss will probably be a balanced tube amp.
post #313 of 36835

Maybe... With the "New" Version...

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Originally Posted by Jap View Post
Inquiring minds are inquiring again: does removing the foam in front of the 650's transducers balance out the sound? IOW, does the treble, midrange and bass exist in fairly equal amounts with the foam removed, or does the bass still dominate?

{I am trying to determine if it is worthwhile to purchase the 650 over the 600. I preferred balanced, neutral sound. I know the 650's bass tends to dominate with the foam intact on modest systems. I am not sure if this is still the case with the foam removed, particularly with amps strong enough to drive the bass properly.}
It might with the "new" version of the HD650s - not so much with the "old" version. Their sound gets brighter and you can here more of the details, but they're still pretty dark and bass heavy.

Though... I expect the "new" version sounds brighter and more detailed than the "old" version. Could be worth a try - but, you should expect the bass to remain fairly prominent - even though they may brighten up.
post #314 of 36835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jap View Post
{I am trying to determine if it is worthwhile to purchase the 650 over the 600. I preferred balanced, neutral sound. I know the 650's bass tends to dominate with the foam intact on modest systems. I am not sure if this is still the case with the foam removed, particularly with amps strong enough to drive the bass properly.}
IMHO, HD650 stock sounds depthful rather than bass heavy nor dominant. I removed the foams on my HD650 to see what the talk is about and the result was just disappointing. The detail was there but like somebody mentioned before, it made it sound grainy and thin. It also took away the warmness that I love in Senn phones. Without a doubt, I immediately put the foam back and would never take it out again.
post #315 of 36835
I've experimented for over a year with the foam in front.In the end I prefer the foam with a "nickel mod" and fiberglass window screen underneath. I also like the sound of the rear foam removed.
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