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post #2851 of 36885

Joinning the club guys, just recieved my HD650s yesterday (bought them used) and the first I played on them was Mozart, this LugBug1 post is really accurate IMO. 
 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I'm becoming more convinced that the hardcore 650 admirers are more music lovers than sound quality fanatics. That's how it should be! We are a more relaxed crowd, chilling with our 650's on ha ha. There's no sign of any sibilance here!

 

I'm chilling right now listening to a Beethoven string quartet, and I couldn't give a monkeys about the bass, treble or mids.

 

Just enjoying the music. (oh yes and writing this too..) tongue.gif

 

Cheers guys beerchug.gif
 

 

post #2852 of 36885
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I'm becoming more convinced that the hardcore 650 admirers are more music lovers than sound quality fanatics. That's how it should be! We are a more relaxed crowd, chilling with our 650's on ha ha. There's no sign of any sibilance here!

 

I'm chilling right now listening to a Beethoven string quartet, and I couldn't give a monkeys about the bass, treble or mids.

 

Just enjoying the music. (oh yes and writing this too..) tongue.gif


Exactly.
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See the 1st blue peak at 3 to 4.5 kHz?  I can hear that as an unnatural emphasis to male vocals and electric guitars.  And then the 2nd blue peak at about 15 kHz messes with snare drums and cymbals.  Maybe for some genres those peaks aren't as apparent, but for anything "rock" related, I don't think the HD600 is complimentary at all.

 

I tried to like the HD600, but frankly to me, its sins are worse than its benefits.  The HD650 on the other hand, yes, it's a dark headphone, but once you get used to the sound, I was amazed at how much detail is really there.

 

Someone mentioned the "fatigue factor" and out of all the headphones I've ever heard, the HD650 might be the least fatiguing out of them all.  The HD650 is a very easy headphone to listen to.  And IMO, it doesn't get harsh or fatiguing at all like most headphones I've heard (especially at higher volumes ,,, in short doses of course).

 

But everyone's ear are different too.  beerchug.gif

 



I couldn't agree more. For me, I don't trust any of Headroom's graphs..not even remotely. Especially after they made my KRK KNS-8400 out to be some sort of bass monster, which it isn't even remotely. The slight peak in the upper mids bothers you, but you don't find the increased bass of the HD-650 over the HD-600 a problem? The difference in bass quantity is HUGE to me. The main reason I couldn't live with the HD-650 was because of it having too much bass. That and a few minor issues. I also find the graphs for the K702 to be totally different than what my ears hear. On my K702, due to the soundstage, it often feels as if there is slightly recessed mids, which isn't to be found in the graphs anywhere from what I recall. I think I read it could be due to pad break-in, but who knows. The HD-598 chart is totally different from what my ears hear also.

 

The problem with people comparing the HD-600 to the HD-650 is made even worse because of there being two different types. There's the white screened versions of each and to my ears they both sound slightly different. People could debate this for hours, but I do think there is slight differences in sound. My HD-650 was the white version. Is yours? I actually didn't find mine to be too dark. It actually had quite a lot of treble to my ears and didn't try and tame any of my music like my HD-600 does. It all depends on the recording though. I must be one of the only people on here that finds the HD-650 to NOT be completely non-fatiguing. Not the version I had. I actually found it more fatiguing than my DT-880. Does that make any sense? Probably not because it doesn't to me either! I'm not that sensitive to treble as I thought I was though.

 

I still find my HD-600 to be a headphone I could use to fall asleep with! It's nice that you find the HD-650 to be more neutral, but not me normal_smile%20.gif

It's funny because when I had the HD-598, I felt that was the smoothest sounding signature I've ever heard..until I got the HD-600!

 

BTW I could have sworn I read an article somewhere where they said the newer HD-650's might have more bass and more treble than the older versions. I don't want to open up a can of worms, but I guess it's possible. I hated my first pair I had 5 years ago, but still felt the newer HD-650 was one of the best headphones I've ever heard. I just didn't like 2-3 things about it. Strangely I also found my HD-650 much easier to drive than my HD-600. People seem to say the opposite. I do understand that the HD-650 will benefit more from a better amp of course.

 

 

post #2854 of 36885

Hi Guys,

 

I've had my 650's for about 3 weeks now, bought them used, they are pristine and look 100% new.  Pretty impressed so far.  I have been reading on this forum that there are really 2 versions of the 650's depending when they were made/sold.  I was wondering, can someone tell me how new/old mine actually are since I purchased them "used".  I didn't ask the seller that question since they looked and sounded great.  If it makes a difference mine were packaged in a silver box with foam inside and that box was packaged in a "silver ribbed like box".   Thanks for your help in helping me determine this little situation.

post #2855 of 36885

If you pull off the pads, the entire area below it will be all white or a silver color. Just be absolutely sure to not press on the grill when you put the pads back on.

Here's a link to some pictures and an article:

http://www.headfonia.com/the-sennheiser-trio-hd580-hd600-hd650/2/
 

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Originally Posted by golffnutt View Post

Hi Guys,

 

I've had my 650's for about 3 weeks now, bought them used, they are pristine and look 100% new.  Pretty impressed so far.  I have been reading on this forum that there are really 2 versions of the 650's depending when they were made/sold.  I was wondering, can someone tell me how new/old mine actually are since I purchased them "used".  I didn't ask the seller that question since they looked and sounded great.  If it makes a difference mine were packaged in a silver box with foam inside and that box was packaged in a "silver ribbed like box".   Thanks for your help in helping me determine this little situation.



 

post #2856 of 36885
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

If you pull off the pads, the entire area below it will be all white or a silver color. Just be absolutely sure to not press on the grill when you put the pads back on.

Here's a link to some pictures and an article:

http://www.headfonia.com/the-sennheiser-trio-hd580-hd600-hd650/2/
 



Thanks tdock but all I get from that link is a comparison of the 580 & 600 to HD650.  Let me try to make my question more clear.  Since I bought my 650's used I have no idea how old they are, I would like to know when they were made/sold.  Is there a way to tell?  Maybe by the serial number, then Sennheiser could tell.  The reason I would like to know is because I have read on this forum that there are really 2 completely different versions of the 650's, the older ones were maybe a little brighter than the newer version or vice versa I can't remember.  I would just really like to know how old mine are in order to know if I got the brighter or warmer version.  Does this make more sense?  Again thank you for the response.



 

post #2857 of 36885

If you have the newer version, the area below the pads will be all white or a silver color.

I don't know how you can tell what date they were made on.
 

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Edited by tdockweiler - 4/6/11 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

If you have the newer version, the area below the pads will be all white or a silver color.

I don't know how you can tell what date they were made on.
 


Thanks tdock, I didn't know if it was possible or not?  Maybe a call to Sennheiser would be a good idea.  I hear what you are saying, if they are white or silver then they are the newer version.  Do you remember there is a difference in sound from the newer vs. older version?  If so what did you hear the differences were?  I guess I am picking your brain, I promise this is the last question?  Thank you.

 



 

post #2859 of 36885

Well, my first pair of HD-650's I had maybe 4 years ago and never liked them. I ended up selling them in a month. I was impressed with the HD-650 in some areas and it seemed much brighter than my first pair. I really shouldn't compare them since it's very hard to remember the old pair.

 

Here is a very good thread on some comparisons:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/318945/old-vs-new-hd580-600s-hd650s/30

 

I clearly saw a difference between my old HD-600 and newer HD-600. The newer one was less muffled and more clear. I actually didn't notice many differences. I think it's safe to say I prefer the new version and it was obvious to me that my old one was definitely not the white screened version! I even got it in early 2010?! Strangely the soundstage felt a lot larger and the sound more airy, but that's most likely impossible. I'm guessing that perhaps the newer HD-650 is more clear and detailed than the older versions.

 

I originally thought the newer HD-650's had more bass, but perhaps it's the other way around!

 


 

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Edited by tdockweiler - 4/6/11 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Well, my first pair of HD-650's I had maybe 4 years ago and never liked them. I ended up selling them in a month. I was impressed with the HD-650 in some areas and it seemed much brighter than my first pair. I really shouldn't compare them since it's very hard to remember the old pair.

 

Here is a very good thread on some comparisons:

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/318945/old-vs-new-hd580-600s-hd650s/30

 

I clearly saw a difference between my old HD-600 and newer HD-600. The newer one was less muffled and more clear. I actually didn't notice many differences. I think it's safe to say I prefer the new version and it was obvious to me that my old one was definitely not the white screened version! I even got it in early 2010?! Strangely the soundstage felt a lot larger and the sound more airy, but that's most likely impossible. I'm guessing that perhaps the newer HD-650 is more clear and detailed than the older versions.

 

I originally thought the newer HD-650's had more bass, but perhaps it's the other way around!

 

Thanks tdock, I will definitely read the link you provided.  Happy listenin" and head-fiing.
 



 



 

post #2861 of 36885
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I'm becoming more convinced that the hardcore 650 admirers are more music lovers than sound quality fanatics. That's how it should be! We are a more relaxed crowd, chilling with our 650's on ha ha. There's no sign of any sibilance here!

 

I'm chilling right now listening to a Beethoven string quartet, and I couldn't give a monkeys about the bass, treble or mids.

 

Just enjoying the music. (oh yes and writing this too..) tongue.gif



Bravo sir

 

Esperanza Spalding the rich double bass and that crystal voice sublime

 

To my ears the hd 650 is not the best headphone in any particular area but the best compromise. Perhaps it is possible to build a perfect headphone in a lab but design for mass production means compromise, I think the hd 650 really shines in the market as a clear leader in price vs overall performance.

 

post #2862 of 36885
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

 

I originally thought the newer HD-650's had more bass, but perhaps it's the other way around!

 


I actually didn't hear much of a difference in the bass between the 600's and 650's.  That midrange spike for the 600's drew my attention 1st.  Both are out for loan right now, and I'll listen again when I get them back.  But at least in an absolute sense, I didn't think the bass of the 650's was too much at all.


 

 

post #2863 of 36885

After owning several pairs of both with various setups, I realized the bass of the HD650 has the potential to be significantly better. It all depends on the gear, but in terms of technical ability and scalability, the 650 wins hands down.


 

post #2864 of 36885

How's that Dynahi compare to your GS-1?  Is it balanced?

 

 

post #2865 of 36885

The new HD650 are still improving, but already I would not go back to the HD600 (or HD580 for that matter) as much I as enjoyed them for many years.

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