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post #2776 of 36844

^^

 

Sam: I guess we hear the T1's treble the same way. I've had my pair for about 14 months now and have yet to hear the treble spike on them. If anything, they are a bit rolled off. And that's with my 39 year old ears that I have measured that go up to 18.5kHz (L and R).

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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

This couldn't be further from the truth (my experience is the exact opposite). I'm specifically referring to integrated amps, but 70s/80s high-end receivers (which can be found for little money on the used market) were awesome sounding as well. Many of them sound better than most head amps under a grand. I don't want to go too far off-topic, so I'll just refer you to this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/537704/calling-all-vintage-integrated-receiver-owners

 

(I'm not denying your impressions of your own Onkyo though, I haven't heard that particular one).
 

 



Well, now that you add "high-end" into your description that qualifies it.  You made a sweeping statement that sounded like ALL gear from that era was desirable and should be purchased "without a second thought," which seems vastly more like an overgeneralization than anything I said.

 

Sure, there was some OK high end stuff from Japan, but not so much the mainstream gear.  To my ears, the mainstream solid state Japanese gear of the day was not in the same league as gear from companies like Hafler or PS Audio that emerged in the 80's, let alone the high-end US gear.  

 

Many of the Japanese products used op amps, while most of the domestic product was discrete or tube.  Few on this forum would ever consider rolling those 70s and 80s op amps into their kit these days, particularly in the entry and mid-fi gear.  Too much noise, poor slew rate, lot's of TIM, etc, so I would suggest that if the 70s and 80s Japanese gear is of interest, the boutique US brands would be even more so.  

 

 

 

 

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What a difference some new pads make on my old friends! 7 years of wear, sweat, tears, skin.. they had to go! 

 

I quite liked the closer sound of my worn in pads, but today I had that old familiar feeling of my head being clamped in a vice.. much airy-er sound and it seems to be more cohesive..the frequencies are more balanced.

 

Still a bit steep at £50 though... but worth it.     

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After having had the HD650s for a month now, paired with the uDac2, I'm surprised the theory of "getting used to" the sound signature is very true. I can barely stand my old ATH-M45 now.

 

And then there's that one post on head-fi I'd read where someone said a beginning audiophile loves bass, an intermediate loves treble, and the peak of audiophilia is excellent mids. Well, I'd never paid attention to mids as much as the ends of spectrums until when I got the HD650s. After putting on my M45 for the first time in a month, I noticed a huge difference in the mids as compared to the 650s, with the M45 not as clear, notably in vocals. Quite amazing! It definitely puts you into the music.

 

As for the bass, not as heavy-hitting as the Beats (I know, I know, but my coworker let me listen to his today, and I let him listen to the Senns), but definitely has WAY better control. The mids and highs actually came through on the Beats, but that's probably because I'd never heard it through the uDac2 before). The bass was still so bloated, it bled into the higher frequencies. On the HD650s, it was tighter than a Botox'ed face.

 

I cannot wait until I get my first dedicated amp in a couple months (still using the uDac2 as, well, the DAC, until I can get a better one). With reading up on head-fi, it can only get better from here!


Edited by mikenike - 3/24/11 at 10:53pm
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I like the concept of phases of audiophilia, but I think two are missing:

 

4) Ultimate audiophiles appreciate that instruments span multiple octaves, and it's how the system integrates these octaves to actually create a holistic sense of the space and instruments that can truly define greatness.

 

5) Post audiophilia where we realize that achieving audio greatness kept us from retiring.  

 

:-)

 

 

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I recently bought a 2nd hand and modded Xcan v3 to go with my RS1i's as I had read about the synergy.

 

But... then I plugged in my 650's.... WOW! WOW! and one more time.. WOW!

 

I've reached a whole new level of audio appreciation. Perfect synergy, a marriage made n heaven etc..!

 

I think it has a lot to do with my recent modding and re-cabling too,  as before I used the Xcan my ss amp couldn't quite deal with the more open sound that they now had, and the frequencies would cross and get congested slightly. The Xcan has opened a door to my 650's and let some welcome fresh air in. Everything is free and precise. The sound stage is HUGE! almost 3d like, instruments are placed around you.

I never thought tubes were the way forward with Sennheiser but they are.

 

Just wanted to share my little audio revelation!

 

Are there better amps than this for the 650's?? obviously without spending too much...

 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I recently bought a 2nd hand and modded Xcan v3 to go with my RS1i's as I had read about the synergy.

 

But... then I plugged in my 650's.... WOW! WOW! and one more time.. WOW!

 

I've reached a whole new level of audio appreciation. Perfect synergy, a marriage made n heaven etc..!

 

I think it has a lot to do with my recent modding and re-cabling too,  as before I used the Xcan my ss amp couldn't quite deal with the more open sound that they now had, and the frequencies would cross and get congested slightly. The Xcan has opened a door to my 650's and let some welcome fresh air in. Everything is free and precise. The sound stage is HUGE! almost 3d like, instruments are placed around you.

I never thought tubes were the way forward with Sennheiser but they are.

 

Just wanted to share my little audio revelation!

 

Are there better amps than this for the 650's?? obviously without spending too much...

 


Absolutely... it's a great amp with the Senns, especially the "new version" Senns.  With silver IC's and a silver headphone cable, and a good source... with some CD's it sounds like the sound is coming from outside the phones, from across the room - a very real sound, which can fool you into thinking someone else is across the room. 

 

It's synergy with Grados is less impressive - they sound better with other amps (e.g. the MAD, the WA6 SEm, and the Millett MiniMax to name a few).  The These amps are also great with Senns, but I'm not sure they're better than the X-CAN v3, especially with the PinkFloyd Mods.  The MiniMax is the bargain of the group, along with the X-CAN v3 for Senns, except the MiniMax sounds good with both high and low impedance phones.

 

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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 View Post




Absolutely... it's a great amp with the Senns, especially the "new version" Senns.  With silver IC's and a silver headphone cable, and a good source... with some CD's it sounds like the sound is coming from outside the phones, from across the room - a very real sound, which can fool you into thinking someone else is across the room. 

 

It's synergy with Grados is less impressive - they sound better with other amps (e.g. the MAD, the WA6 SEm, and the Millett MiniMax to name a few).  The These amps are also great with Senns, but I'm not sure they're better than the X-CAN v3, especially with the PinkFloyd Mods.  The MiniMax is the bargain of the group, along with the X-CAN v3 for Senns, except the MiniMax sounds good with both high and low impedance phones.

 



I nearly said that in my post.. but didnt want people think I was exaggerating! its true, I got a fright today when some percussion came from know where and I took the headphones off to listen.. but there was no one there ha ha

 

5.1 surround in a stereo headphone!

 

Cheers

 

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I recently bought a 2nd hand and modded Xcan v3 to go with my RS1i's as I had read about the synergy.

 

But... then I plugged in my 650's.... WOW! WOW! and one more time.. WOW!

 

I've reached a whole new level of audio appreciation. Perfect synergy, a marriage made n heaven etc..!

 

I think it has a lot to do with my recent modding and re-cabling too,  as before I used the Xcan my ss amp couldn't quite deal with the more open sound that they now had, and the frequencies would cross and get congested slightly. The Xcan has opened a door to my 650's and let some welcome fresh air in. Everything is free and precise. The sound stage is HUGE! almost 3d like, instruments are placed around you.

I never thought tubes were the way forward with Sennheiser but they are.

 

Just wanted to share my little audio revelation!

 

Are there better amps than this for the 650's?? obviously without spending too much...

 


Earmax-pro.

 

post #2785 of 36844

The HD650 is only $380 now!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sennheiser-HD-650-Headphones-Audiophile-Head-Phones-/150574331374?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item230eedf5ee

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post



 



I nearly said that in my post.. but didnt want people think I was exaggerating! its true, I got a fright today when some percussion came from know where and I took the headphones off to listen.. but there was no one there ha ha

 

5.1 surround in a stereo headphone!

 

Cheers

 


Yes... almost spooky sometimes - the X-CAN v3 is a great amp with Senns.

 

I appreciate your reserve in your description... so many seem to exaggerate so much in their comments, which can be very misleading.  

 

post #2787 of 36844

Been listening to a bunch of Glee FLAC tracks since I received my HD650 and I absolutely adore the bass guitar/drums combo in "I've had the time of my life". It's so rich, controlled, tight and I can feel it. All that's lacking is the real thump you get when listening to loudspeakers. I am in love smile_phones.gif

post #2788 of 36844

I had to get 'em all the discover that I do indeed like the 650's the best.  (535, 555, 595, 600)

 

Quick question: any easy good way to get a balanced cable for them that's reasonably priced too?

 

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Originally Posted by Kevin Brown View Post

I had to get 'em all the discover that I do indeed like the 650's the best.  (535, 555, 595, 600)

 

Quick question: any easy good way to get a balanced cable for them that's reasonably priced too?

 


Headphile or used unless you can't [edit: can] solder it yourself which is the cheapest route (<$40)

 


Edited by sphinxvc - 3/27/11 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post




Headphile or used unless you can't solder it yourself which is the cheapest route (<$40)

 


Thanks !!

 

 

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