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post #2416 of 37363
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post




 

If you are having ringing in your ears after 40 min you are a) playing the music ridiculously loud and b) permanently damaging your hearing.  Rule of thumb: ringing ears = temporary and over time permanent hearing loss.

 

Back the sound down a lot: you will adjust to the lower levels and enjoy a lifetime of headphones instead of a few years.

 

EDIT:  Guess that explains why they are fatiguing... beerchug.gif



So I went out and got a SPL meter and setup measuring as recommended in other threads. I don't believe I have been listening to music very loud. The range of the levels go from 75-85dB with an average around 83dB when using the C weighting measurement method. If I use the A weighting method then everything is about 10dB lower. Very, very rarely will it jump up to 87dB when I get a loud song and feel like listening louder than usual. Songs like "Woman" by Wolfmother, "How I Could Just Kill a Man" by Rage Against the Machine, "Discipline" by Nine Inch Nails and "Calabria 2007" by Enur/Natasja are the louder ones that get close to 85dB at normal volume. Chili Peppers music which I listen to most max out around 83dB when listening loud, 80db normally though. The Steve Hoffman "Stadium Arcadium" master is around 78-80dB. Average of 83 is not terrible, right? The HD650's sound best at that level to me.

 

*Note: Music was played using replaygain (per-track).

 

Below are two pics of my setup. Note the volume on the amp at how much a slight turn can make so much a difference on the dB level.

 

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EDIT: Double post.

post #2418 of 37363
83db is ok for your ears and definitely shouldn't cause ringing... If you were playing at that level I can't understand why you would have ringing...
post #2419 of 37363
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

A83db is ok for your ears and definitely shouldn't cause ringing... If you were playing at that level I can't understand why you would have ringing...


 

Yeah, I don't get it either. Meh, it's all good. I'm enjoying these headphones regardless.

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

WTF?! 11 o'clock is crazy loud on the Fun! I hope you didn't listen at that volume for long. eek.gif


For the first couple of days actually.  I was trying to match the forward sound of my IEMs instead of adjusting.

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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

A83db is ok for your ears and definitely shouldn't cause ringing... If you were playing at that level I can't understand why you would have ringing...


 

Yeah, I don't get it either. Meh, it's all good. I'm enjoying these headphones regardless.



It might just be that you already have some very mild ringing in the ears and it gets slightly louder after listening through headphones even at 83db, or that since you are paying more attention to the music with the headphones once you take them off the brain is still in that listening mode so it makes you notice the mild ringing that otherwise you don't notice in other situations. Anyways just some hypothesis.

 

Personally I try to put the volume a couple of notches of what my brain tells me it wants to listen to, because after a little while the brain adapts to the newer lower listening volume.

post #2422 of 37363

ok i just got my hd 650's listened for like 10mins not even burnt in and its driven from just the xonar essence. my god it sounds so good everything is so clear and smooth i cant seriously imagine what a good amp could do for these...

post #2423 of 37363
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Personally I try to put the volume a couple of notches of what my brain tells me it wants to listen to, because after a little while the brain adapts to the newer lower listening volume.

 

I try to do the same, and I can't pass 9 o'clock with the WA3. Too bad the only real "fault" of these cans is they sound better at high volume.
 

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Originally Posted by matchuk28 View Post

ok i just got my hd 650's listened for like 10mins not even burnt in and its driven from just the xonar essence. my god it sounds so good everything is so clear and smooth i cant seriously imagine what a good amp could do for these...


Which do you prefer? The HD650 or your Diamond 9.1?
post #2425 of 37363

u cant compare speakers to headphones i always thought the headphones sounded alot better than speakers for the same cost

 

like my speaker setup prob costed me 800 in total but still doenst sound as good as headphones however sometimes i like to blast music in my room or when i dont feel like suffocating my ears

 

the biggest difference to my ie8's tho is how clear and detailed the hd 650 are, the mids are soooo nice

 

however the hd 650 hasnt got as much bass impact as the ie8's

 

i also dont find hd 65 THAT laid back

 

ill post a better impression when i let this burn in or spend more time with them but i def think they are better than dt990

post #2426 of 37363

I have had my HD-650s for few months now and I do enjoy them quite a bit.  I like the fact that they are very neutral sounding and a great value for the money.  I typically listen to them through a Wadia ITransport, PS Audio Dac, and PS Audio Headphone Amp.  I enjoy listening to rock, acoustic, and vocal music with these headphones.  I would say I am very pleased with this purchase.

post #2427 of 37363

Add me to the list of HD650 lovers.  I've only just received them today, and have had them on my head for the past couple of hours.  Driving them with the ubiquitous Fiio E7+E9 combo.  I already gushed about them in another thread, but I think I've got a little more praise left in me. :)

 

Resolution and clarity is phenomenal, it is really enjoyable listening to songs that I've heard hundreds of times, and picking out new details.  Separation/soundstage is very pleasing -- it's so fun to be able to follow individual vocal lines during harmonies, or to notice how that slight chorusing "effect" on a lead vocal was actually the result of there being two separate and slightly different vocal takes present, with one panned just slightly to the right of the other... and, uh, stuff like that.  Balance is so neutral -- I was really getting myself a little worked up with all this "veil" talk, but I have to say, I simply don't hear it -- bass, mids, and treble are cohesive and I don't feel like any of them are pumped up nor recessed.  While this could be due to the limited selection of music I've run through them so far, I also don't find them to be especially laid-back -- the presentation isn't closed-in, but it also doesn't seem significantly further back than the HD595s I used to have (which, from what I've read, are relatively "forward" among Senns).  They're also the perfect size and shape for my head/ears -- they all but disappear, they're so comfortable.  And I believe the ±1dB matching between drivers... this is the first headphone I've ever heard where I felt my right ear was hitting the same levels as the left.  I'm starting to ramble, but I'm just enjoying these so much.  It's nice to feel like you really made the right choice, y'know? :)

post #2428 of 37363

IMHO there is no veil with good gear.  Maybe on older phones there was now, but this is like "crocodiles in the sewers of New York."  Perhaps this is the perception of those who like extremely over-hyped treble, which is common with a huge percentage of other phones I've heard.  


I am totally with you on enjoying layers of production with these.  It's amazing listening to them just how many albums I had where I'd previously only heard a fraction of the production.  Just pick any Eno disk, or even Fleetwood Mac's Rumours or Fleetwood Mac, and kick back enjoying the amazing harmonies...

 

I'm listening to Sia's Colour the Small One and there are some very cool harmonies in the vocals that are just typically buried that really pop out nicely.  Alas, it's bedtime and TONIGHT I'm not going to be up 3 hours late listening...

post #2429 of 37363
Warm resolving gear + HD650 = rocking, energetic cans with deep bass. Anyone using terms such as slow, veiled and boring to describe this headphone hasn't had the fortune to glimpse its potential. You don't need to spend big to find great synergy. It just requires some consideration of the components in your chain. Do this and you'll understand all the praise.
post #2430 of 37363

I have come to the conclusion after extensive tests with my dacs and amps that IMO the HD650 paired well with my neutral and warm gear and to me it paired poorly with all my brighter gear.  I believe this is due to warm and neutral equipment being able to reinforce the HD650s natural tone, whilst brighter gear hi-lites the HD650s weakness in its unconvincing imitation of a bright signature coming off as a excessive grain and fatigue in the upper registers.  

 

The HD650 and Black Cube Linear amp was a very problematic pairing in this regards, whilst the Musical Fidelity XcanV3, Cayin HA1A and AGD Phoenix in balanced mode have yielded excellent synergies.  I also find that amping synergy is more critical than source when it comes to the HD650.  YMMV.

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