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If the HD650 has less bass than you're used to, but you're generally happy with your gear otherwise, I'd suggest trying an aftermarket cable (disclaimer: not advocating the million dollar boutique cables here). People will recommend a silver cable to apparently lift the "veil", but if you have the "new" driver HD650 or if your chain is resolving enough to not have the veil in the first place, I'd recommend a upocc copper cable. It won't increase bass quantity but it will refine what's already there, making it more distinct. You'll notice how deep the HD650 really goes. There is also no highlighting of the upper frequencies synonymous with silver, so it should be a better match if you're already finding the sound a tad bright with your setup. It not a huge improvement but if you're already mostly there with the sound produced by your setup, that extra bit of refinement could be striking as it gets you over the line.

post #2402 of 36901
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post




the HD650 may not satisfy you in terms of bass if you are a true basshead. you may get used to the sound though if you give them a chance. i used to like quite a bit more bass, but i have since started to focus more on the mid-range. i feel the mid-range is where most of the action is anyway. since getting the HD650 and becoming accustomed to their sound i have lowered the bass in my car by 5db, and i barely even use the sub in my home system for music anymore. the sub in my home system when listening to music is now crossed over at 40hz, letting the speakers do all the work down to that point, and saving the sub for the last octave only. point being, you may get used to the sound and change your ways as i did.

 

if you are looking for an SPL meter, the digital one from Radio Shack will do just fine. i got one years ago to level match speakers in my HT, but it works equally well to get an idea of how loud you're listening to your headphones.

 

I am sure I will get used to the sound. When I got my UE-11's I thought they sounded somewhat lifeless and flat compared to the Westone 3's I got a month prior but now I can't listen to any other IEM's but my UE-11's.

 

The Radio Shack SPL meter was the one I was looking at. I was researching how to measure the SPL of headphones and I saw some guy on here put cardboard over the headphones and put a hole in the middle for the SPL meter. How do you take your readings?
 

 

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

If the HD650 has less bass than you're used to, but you're generally happy with your gear otherwise, I'd suggest trying an aftermarket cable (disclaimer: not advocating the million dollar boutique cables here). People will recommend a silver cable to apparently lift the "veil", but if you have the "new" driver HD650 or if your chain is resolving enough to not have the veil in the first place, I'd recommend a upocc copper cable. It won't increase bass quantity but it will refine what's already there, making it more distinct. You'll notice how deep the HD650 really goes. There is also no highlighting of the upper frequencies synonymous with silver, so it should be a better match if you're already finding the sound a tad bright with your setup. It not a huge improvement but if you're already mostly there with the sound produced by your setup, that extra bit of refinement could be striking as it gets you over the line.

 

I have the new HD650 because I just bought them new and see the white inside them. I was looking at after market cables but I can't ever see paying $400-600 on a cable. If you recommend a specific one, let me know, send me a link or something and I will check it out. I would have to demo one somewhere to see if it makes a real improvement. I'll reserve bass judgment till I get more hours on the 650's.

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I am sure I will get used to the sound. When I got my UE-11's I thought they sounded somewhat lifeless and flat compared to the Westone 3's I got a month prior but now I can't listen to any other IEM's but my UE-11's.

 

The Radio Shack SPL meter was the one I was looking at. I was researching how to measure the SPL of headphones and I saw some guy on here put cardboard over the headphones and put a hole in the middle for the SPL meter. How do you take your readings?
 


i didn't make any cardboard contraption, i just stick the mic end into one of the earcups and see what it says.

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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post




i didn't make any cardboard contraption, i just stick the mic end into one of the earcups and see what it says.



This is the contraption I was referring too. http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/507953/what-do-you-use-to-measure-sound-levels#post_6866817

 

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i'll rig something up like that, i'm curious to see if making a seal actually effects the results.
 

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This is the contraption I was referring too. http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/507953/what-do-you-use-to-measure-sound-levels#post_6866817

 

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Originally Posted by funkymonkcp View Post

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

If the HD650 has less bass than you're used to, but you're generally happy with your gear otherwise, I'd suggest trying an aftermarket cable (disclaimer: not advocating the million dollar boutique cables here). People will recommend a silver cable to apparently lift the "veil", but if you have the "new" driver HD650 or if your chain is resolving enough to not have the veil in the first place, I'd recommend a upocc copper cable. It won't increase bass quantity but it will refine what's already there, making it more distinct. You'll notice how deep the HD650 really goes. There is also no highlighting of the upper frequencies synonymous with silver, so it should be a better match if you're already finding the sound a tad bright with your setup. It not a huge improvement but if you're already mostly there with the sound produced by your setup, that extra bit of refinement could be striking as it gets you over the line.

 

I have the new HD650 because I just bought them new and see the white inside them. I was looking at after market cables but I can't ever see paying $400-600 on a cable. If you recommend a specific one, let me know, send me a link or something and I will check it out. I would have to demo one somewhere to see if it makes a real improvement. I'll reserve bass judgment till I get more hours on the 650's.



I'd suggest you give your ears time to adjust first. You may just be used to exaggerated bass and may find yourself hearing other things as bloated instead after some time with the HD650 (like what jasonb has experienced and what I've found myself as well).

 

Fwiw, I prefer a warmer presentation so I choose to colour the sound towards this spectrum by employing the Moon hdam in my dac. The copper cable balances the resulting congestion through the refinement it brings so what I'm left with is great synergy for my taste. Again, I DON'T ADVOCATE SPENDING BIG BUCKS if you want to see what a cable may do for you. If you want to go down this path make sure you are mostly happy with your existing chain to begin with (as funds may be better spent addressing those deficiencies first).

 

The cable I got was custom made by a prominent Head-Fi DIYer. I think it sounds great and for a small fraction of the cost of boutique cables. I'm not going to disclose who made it though, as I was unhappy with other aspects of the transaction.

post #2407 of 36901

Thanks for all the info guys.

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For those into this kind of music (synth pop/80's revival minus the wank?) with synths, strings, keys and great harmonies, I'd suggest checking out The Golden Year by Ou Est Le Swimming Pool. Huuuuuugggggeee sound through the HD650. The track "Our Lives", with it's droning reverberated synths, kick drum thump, lush strings and layered harmonies is a particularly great showcase for the HD650. It's so expansive and textured yet presented effortlessly. This track album will test your chain and reveal any deficiencies therein.

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Originally Posted by funkymonkcp View Post



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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post




the HD650 may not satisfy you in terms of bass if you are a true basshead. you may get used to the sound though if you give them a chance. i used to like quite a bit more bass, but i have since started to focus more on the mid-range. i feel the mid-range is where most of the action is anyway. since getting the HD650 and becoming accustomed to their sound i have lowered the bass in my car by 5db, and i barely even use the sub in my home system for music anymore. the sub in my home system when listening to music is now crossed over at 40hz, letting the speakers do all the work down to that point, and saving the sub for the last octave only. point being, you may get used to the sound and change your ways as i did.

 

if you are looking for an SPL meter, the digital one from Radio Shack will do just fine. i got one years ago to level match speakers in my HT, but it works equally well to get an idea of how loud you're listening to your headphones.

 

I am sure I will get used to the sound. When I got my UE-11's I thought they sounded somewhat lifeless and flat compared to the Westone 3's I got a month prior but now I can't listen to any other IEM's but my UE-11's.

 

The Radio Shack SPL meter was the one I was looking at. I was researching how to measure the SPL of headphones and I saw some guy on here put cardboard over the headphones and put a hole in the middle for the SPL meter. How do you take your readings?
 

 

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

If the HD650 has less bass than you're used to, but you're generally happy with your gear otherwise, I'd suggest trying an aftermarket cable (disclaimer: not advocating the million dollar boutique cables here). People will recommend a silver cable to apparently lift the "veil", but if you have the "new" driver HD650 or if your chain is resolving enough to not have the veil in the first place, I'd recommend a upocc copper cable. It won't increase bass quantity but it will refine what's already there, making it more distinct. You'll notice how deep the HD650 really goes. There is also no highlighting of the upper frequencies synonymous with silver, so it should be a better match if you're already finding the sound a tad bright with your setup. It not a huge improvement but if you're already mostly there with the sound produced by your setup, that extra bit of refinement could be striking as it gets you over the line.

 

I have the new HD650 because I just bought them new and see the white inside them. I was looking at after market cables but I can't ever see paying $400-600 on a cable. If you recommend a specific one, let me know, send me a link or something and I will check it out. I would have to demo one somewhere to see if it makes a real improvement. I'll reserve bass judgment till I get more hours on the 650's.


The Cardas cable for the 650 brightens the sound and adds sparkle; I totally recommend it over the stock cable. For some reason some people don't believe that changing the cable can make any difference, but invariably the people who say that are those who have never heard the Cardas. Whatever you do, don't skimp on the amp. I had a headroom micro amp which is a good little amp for its price, but I recently got a Black Cube Linear and suddenly realized that I had never really heard my 650s -- even though I've owned them for five or six years. It's like I have brand new phones! For one thing, there's an amazing sense of depth that was totally missing with the micro amp. I was just listening to some of my Can SACDs and was blown away. Also, don't judge a product until you burn it in. The Black Cube sounded horrible at first, but I fed it music for three days straight at full volume (with no headphones plugged in) and the difference is night and day. Don't let anybody ever tell you that burn-in time is a myth.

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Originally Posted by funkymonkcp View Post



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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

Fatiguing, in association with the HD650 just does not compute. Although I mainly listen at moderate levels, one of my main concerns with the HD650 is for my hearing, as I'm able to wear it for hours on end without pause when I have the time. This is why I'm now looking at speakers.



Based on everything I have read about the HD650's, I agree it doesn't make sense that they are fatiguing. Dunno what the deal is. I know it's not a good sign when I take them off after 40 minutes and my ears are ringing. It's interesting to note that when I listen to the Head-Fi Open Your Ears HD tracks that I have no listening fatigue after those.


 

If you are having ringing in your ears after 40 min you are a) playing the music ridiculously loud and b) permanently damaging your hearing.  Rule of thumb: ringing ears = temporary and over time permanent hearing loss.

 

Back the sound down a lot: you will adjust to the lower levels and enjoy a lifetime of headphones instead of a few years.

 

EDIT:  Guess that explains why they are fatiguing... beerchug.gif

post #2411 of 36901

Im listening to rdio.com through my 650's on HP Envy Laptop..loving them!  maybe not the best setup but these cans are so sweet sounding ..can wear them for hours..just listening to the musicdarthsmile.gif

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@ funkymonkcp

 

No surprise they have less bass than your UE11s: a tiny blast of air shot directly into your sealed ear canal will always win over the bass punch of the HD650s.  Mrspeakers is right, play the HD650s real low & start adjusting your brain.  I started out at eleven o'clock with my set-up and now I'm consistently listening at eight or nine o'clock.  The HD650s sound so very natural, it will just sound so right after enough listening hours, you may eventually find the UE11s bass-heavy.

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Also, a few pages ago there was a link to the 'how to equalize your headphones' thread, doing so apparently removed a spike in the frequency response of the HD650s, making them less bright, I'd  h i g h l y  recommend trying that out for your fatigue problem.

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WTF?! 11 o'clock is crazy loud on the Fun! I hope you didn't listen at that volume for long. eek.gif

post #2414 of 36901

Hi everyone,I've never posted in this thread(nor do I post much at all)but I just wanted to say I recently was away from my myhd650's for about a month and had with me my beyerdynamic T1 and my Westone 3.Now I can't put my hd650's down.They sound better than ever.Simply beautiful.

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Originally Posted by blurayd09 View Post

Im listening to rdio.com through my 650's on HP Envy Laptop..loving them!  maybe not the best setup but these cans are so sweet sounding ..can wear them for hours..just listening to the musicdarthsmile.gif


i do i'd say 80% of my listening from Rdio.com.

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