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post #23761 of 36851
You could do a lot worse than the Project Ember. It'll drive all your headphones easily but you'll need a DAC to go with it.
post #23762 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

Why I'm keeping the HD650 & why I love this headphone

 

After a long listening session beginning this afternoon until 8PM (Atlantic time) w/HD800+Auralic Taurus mkII in xlr balanced mode & listening to some Bowie, Steely Dan, Beck, Beatles & the Stones, I realized I was no longer really enjoying listening to music.  Too much listening or sound fatigue ?  Only one way to find out : switch to my trusted HD650 in xlr balanced mode also and switch the music to J.J. Cale (3 different albums) & Clapton's two mellow Cale like albums : There's one in every crowd & Backless.  The result :  it was sound fatigue because as soon as I made the switch it was oh so nice & relaxing.  Nothing lost in the sound quality or detail.  This is why I have more than one set of HPs and that's why I've had the HD650 for quite a while & there not going anywhere.  With a quality amp, which the mk2 is, the HD650 is an excellent HP, especially when I need to mellow out and just relax w/the music.  I've dubbed them : Ol' reliable.


Glad to hear about the good synergy between Taurus mk2 and HD650. I was just thinking about getting the Taurus mk2 for my HD650 after reading many good reviews regarding it. I hope the Taurus mk2 will the end game headphone amp for me.

post #23763 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 

If you want the best the HD650 can deliver, then I would go with the Crack....

 

Cheers,

K

 

In the OP's price range, this may very well be true.

 

But, don't forget to budget for tubes - you will want to upgrade the power tube, at a minimum, to something like a Tung-Sol 5998 or 7236, if you "...want the best the HD650 can deliver."

post #23764 of 36851

I just picked up a pair of these during the Amazon sales, never had anything this amazing before. I did a bunch of research before hand and have a M&M stack from Schiit coming in. Kind of funny listening to them with my laptop trying so hard to power them.

 

Curious, does anyone recommend anything specific to break them in or just listen to anything until they've sufficiently broke in? I know I've read some people like to play certain tracks on repeat for awhile, is that just to break them in faster?

post #23765 of 36851

Anything is fine really. The certain tracks just have sweeps in freq to be certain but I don't think that's necessary. Heck just listen and enjoy how it changes as time goes on. Some people believe in burning in, some don't.

 

Also I just got new crack myself and here were my thoughts right out of the gate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So that's a Aune T1 for DAC into the crack w/speedball. And I'm sooooo confused now...
Ok so I have Senn HD 560 Ovation II's(which lacked bass), HD 650's that I thought were to muddy even yea sure it's very slight to much mids, and HD 700 which were clearly to bright. Now explain to me how this setup fixed every single issue I had with each pair of headphone. I LOVE them all now, seriously. 560 has more bass it's just wonderful. The 650's have great clear highs now that work better with the mids and bass is just fine. And somehow the 700's aren't a harsh mess anymore. I liked these the least but now I don't hear that harshness they had. What the hell is going on here, am I just drinking the cool-aid or what...I'm so confused. I have a Orange globe in the T1, NOS Tung Sol 5998 and Telefunken 12au7 in the crack.

Either way at times , which is most of the time it sounds AMAZING. I now get why Miles Davis Kind of Blue is raved about, I seriously have people in my head now playing live instruments, amazing. And some bells and what not from Bjork stuff I've heard 1000+ times blowing my mind.


Edited by hdtv00 - 3/22/15 at 11:16am
post #23766 of 36851

^^ :beerchug: ...congrats. 

post #23767 of 36851
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post
 

So that's a Aune T1 for DAC into the crack w/speedball. And I'm sooooo confused now...

 

I have a Orange globe in the T1, NOS Tung Sol 5998 and Telefunken 12au7 in the crack.

 

 

Congrats and great tube choices! :L3000:

post #23768 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 


Hi!

 

I just received my HD650 today and hadn't a chance to unpack it.

 

However, I have (or had) a few of the amps in your shortlist.

 

My comments:

Bottlehead Crack is the winner for the HD650 (based on using it with T90, T1, HD800)

Valhalla 2 second

 

BUT both of the above cannot drive in ears so well. The crack has an output impedance of 150 Ohm. 

 

So if you want to drive lower impedance IEMs or headphones as well I would recommend the Modi2, Magni2Uber stack or the O2+Odac. 

Another very well performing Amp/DAC is the Aune T1 Mk2 that can be had for $169 - lots of juice and the benefit of having a tube in the DAC part (yes it's a tube DAC, not tube amp)..

 

Give me a day and I can test the HD650 with:

- Crack (with Speedball)

- Aune T1 Mk2

- Modi2Uber/Magni2Uber

- Centrance DACMini CX

- Cayin C5

- JDSLabs C5D

- Audioengine D3

 

Overall I am pretty sure with my experience with the T90 and HD598 that you should be happy with the Schiit stack or the Objective stack - if you need to drive other headphones as well.

 

If you want the best the HD650 can deliver, then I would go with the Crack....

Cheers,

K


Look forward to your impressions once the 650s break-in...

 

I love mine, and the only way they could be better is if I had bought them when they were on sale for $299 last week..... 

post #23769 of 36851
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Originally Posted by knorris908 View Post


Look forward to your impressions once the 650s break-in...

I love mine, and the only way they could be better is if I had bought them when they were on sale for $299 last week..... 
290$* which is even better
post #23770 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post

Why I'm keeping the HD650 & why I love this headphone

After a long listening session beginning this afternoon until 8PM (Atlantic time) w/HD800+Auralic Taurus mkII in xlr balanced mode & listening to some Bowie, Steely Dan, Beck, Beatles & the Stones, I realized I was no longer really enjoying listening to music.  Too much listening or sound fatigue ?  Only one way to find out : switch to my trusted HD650 in xlr balanced mode also and switch the music to J.J. Cale (3 different albums) & Clapton's two mellow Cale like albums : There's one in every crowd & Backless.  The result :  it was sound fatigue because as soon as I made the switch it was oh so nice & relaxing.  Nothing lost in the sound quality or detail.  This is why I have more than one set of HPs and that's why I've had the HD650 for quite a while & there not going anywhere.  With a quality amp, which the mk2 is, the HD650 is an excellent HP, especially when I need to mellow out and just relax w/the music.  I've dubbed them : Ol' reliable.

I too have returned home like the prodigal son after a couple of weeks giving the HD700'S a serious run for their money. They were superb headphones no doubt about it. The look and comfort alone are streets ahead of the 650. The soundstage and detail retrieval are definitely wider airier and more precise but the same as you, I just wasn't enjoying it as much. When I put the 650's back on it just sounded so right again. I think I'll explore other amps and possibly a balanced cable and keep these for a good few years!
post #23771 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Koolpep View Post
 


Hi!

 

I just received my HD650 today and hadn't a chance to unpack it.

 

However, I have (or had) a few of the amps in your shortlist.

 

My comments:

Bottlehead Crack is the winner for the HD650 (based on using it with T90, T1, HD800)

Valhalla 2 second

 

BUT both of the above cannot drive in ears so well. The crack has an output impedance of 150 Ohm. 

 

So if you want to drive lower impedance IEMs or headphones as well I would recommend the Modi2, Magni2Uber stack or the O2+Odac. 

Another very well performing Amp/DAC is the Aune T1 Mk2 that can be had for $169 - lots of juice and the benefit of having a tube in the DAC part (yes it's a tube DAC, not tube amp)..

 

Give me a day and I can test the HD650 with:

- Crack (with Speedball)

- Aune T1 Mk2

- Modi2Uber/Magni2Uber

- Centrance DACMini CX

- Cayin C5

- JDSLabs C5D

- Audioengine D3

 

Overall I am pretty sure with my experience with the T90 and HD598 that you should be happy with the Schiit stack or the Objective stack - if you need to drive other headphones as well.

 

If you want the best the HD650 can deliver, then I would go with the Crack....

Cheers,

K

 

Just thought I would mention that I  remembered seeing it posted on the Bottlehead forum  that running the Crack with the Tung-sol 5998 lowers the Cracks output impedance from 150 Ohm to 75-80 ohms region 

post #23772 of 36851
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

Why I'm keeping the HD650 & why I love this headphone

 

After a long listening session beginning this afternoon until 8PM (Atlantic time) w/HD800+Auralic Taurus mkII in xlr balanced mode & listening to some Bowie, Steely Dan, Beck, Beatles & the Stones, I realized I was no longer really enjoying listening to music.  Too much listening or sound fatigue ?  Only one way to find out : switch to my trusted HD650 in xlr balanced mode also and switch the music to J.J. Cale (3 different albums) & Clapton's two mellow Cale like albums : There's one in every crowd & Backless.  The result :  it was sound fatigue because as soon as I made the switch it was oh so nice & relaxing.  Nothing lost in the sound quality or detail.  This is why I have more than one set of HPs and that's why I've had the HD650 for quite a while & there not going anywhere.  With a quality amp, which the mk2 is, the HD650 is an excellent HP, especially when I need to mellow out and just relax w/the music.  I've dubbed them : Ol' reliable.


Glad to hear about the good synergy between Taurus mk2 and HD650. I was just thinking about getting the Taurus mk2 for my HD650 after reading many good reviews regarding it. I hope the Taurus mk2 will the end game headphone amp for me.


It's funny you mention the "end game" weint.  In the last couple of days I wrote on a couple of different threads that w/this amp and the rest of my gear I'm at my end game.  I can't justify, even to myself, spending any more money let's say 2-3 thousand just to get a 1 or maybe 2 percent sound improvement.  This is the best set up I've had since I began this hobby approx. 5 yrs ago & I've reached a point now where I realize that "good enough is good enough."  If you do buy the Taurus mk2 (I personally recommend it) you'll most likely be very pleased with it.  Its best features, I find, are the : the black background, the detail & excellent smooth transient sound but above all the Taurus' main attribute/quality is the soundstage.  It is wide, clear and most importantly it has depth.  It's a truly exceptional HP amp especially considering the price.  Good luck & hope whatever you decide to do you'll be happy with.

post #23773 of 36851
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Originally Posted by lawrecedent View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post

Why I'm keeping the HD650 & why I love this headphone

After a long listening session beginning this afternoon until 8PM (Atlantic time) w/HD800+Auralic Taurus mkII in xlr balanced mode & listening to some Bowie, Steely Dan, Beck, Beatles & the Stones, I realized I was no longer really enjoying listening to music.  Too much listening or sound fatigue ?  Only one way to find out : switch to my trusted HD650 in xlr balanced mode also and switch the music to J.J. Cale (3 different albums) & Clapton's two mellow Cale like albums : There's one in every crowd & Backless.  The result :  it was sound fatigue because as soon as I made the switch it was oh so nice & relaxing.  Nothing lost in the sound quality or detail.  This is why I have more than one set of HPs and that's why I've had the HD650 for quite a while & there not going anywhere.  With a quality amp, which the mk2 is, the HD650 is an excellent HP, especially when I need to mellow out and just relax w/the music.  I've dubbed them : Ol' reliable.

I too have returned home like the prodigal son after a couple of weeks giving the HD700'S a serious run for their money. They were superb headphones no doubt about it. The look and comfort alone are streets ahead of the 650. The soundstage and detail retrieval are definitely wider airier and more precise but the same as you, I just wasn't enjoying it as much. When I put the 650's back on it just sounded so right again. I think I'll explore other amps and possibly a balanced cable and keep these for a good few years!


Hi lawrecedent,

 

I like the way you describe the HD650 sound : "it just sounded so right again."  With all of the technical, intricate, detailed, reviews/evaluation written about the HD650 I believe this to be the best one I've read in describing what is so good about the HD650, the yes indeed, it just sounded right again.  Thanks.  You're dead on.  They don't do anything exceptional but they do everything so right

post #23774 of 36851

Got them from Amazon @ $290 - incredible price for what you get performance-wise.  Like them better than the HD700 I had and I liked the 700's a lot.  Better bass on the 650.

 

If you have not tried them out of a vintage amp.................do so.  Very nice and the tone controls and/or loudness switch work well on these. 

post #23775 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post


Hi lawrecedent,

I like the way you describe the HD650 sound : "it just sounded so right again."  With all of the technical, intricate, detailed, reviews/evaluation written about the HD650 I believe this to be the best one I've read in describing what is so good about the HD650, the yes indeed, it just sounded right again.  Thanks.  You're dead on.  They don't do anything exceptional but they do everything so right
I think for my tastes they are just the perfect balance. I'm selling a load of gear and going ro buy the Bottlehead Crack. Should be a nice little project for the Easter break ☺
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