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post #2071 of 36891

I think I will actually go for the E7+E9 combo for the moment. Had to consider the fact that I'll be upgrading my HDD situation for the influx of lossless music that will be replacing my current collection. And as Yoga Flame said, I can at least upgrade my DAC in future, which was a great point.

 

Can't wait to see how it turns out. Thanks everyone! :)

post #2072 of 36891

either my ears have really adjusted or the HD650's and possibly my amp are breaking in, but these things have kind of turned into bass monsters. dubstep is pretty ridiculous on them. not complaining though, since i like a fair amount of bass. anybody saying they lack bass must be a true basshead cause im hearing plenty.

post #2073 of 36891

Yep same for me. The bass quality was always there but it seems the quatity has increased. Perhaps it's because the bass is more controlled now and therefore more distinct.

 

I'm not a fan of electronic music but sometimes I put on one of the 256kbps dance/techno/whatever stations my ISP streams and the bass has a tactile energy that I find amazing.


Edited by olor1n - 1/1/11 at 6:47pm
post #2074 of 36891

yea, i absolutely love the bass on the HD650. there is a slight mid-bass emphasis but it is also very well extended, there is plenty of low subwoofer type bass still present. i have no complaints about the bass quality or quantity. it's excellent bass, and there's plenty of it. 

 

i actually have zero complaints about the HD650. it's definitely the best headphone i have heard and i just have nothing at all to complain or nitpick about with them.

 

they are not slow and they are not boring. sure, they are tame on the top end, but i like the smoothness. i've never been a treble junkie. my favorite part though has to be the mid-range. vocals and drums sound sweet.
 

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Yep same for me. The bass quality was always there but it seems the quatity has increased. Perhaps it's because the bass is more controlled now and therefore more distinct.

post #2075 of 36891

As I've stated in several threads, I just don't understand the "boring" description. I have wonderful synergy in my chain, as I'm sure you do, but I get the sense that it's a fine line so perhaps I can understand the other criticisms on gear that's not as good a match. My setup is modular so I can tweak and "colour" the sound to my liking (sort of like you with your cross-feed and treble options), but even in it's default configuration the HD650 is pretty damn good.

 

The benchmark for a fun and energetic presentation for me is the MS-1i, which I absolutely adore (I'm probably more of an Alessandro fanboy than a Sennheiser one). The Hd650 may lack the in your face aggression but it's certainly just as fun and engaging. Boring? I don't get it.


Edited by olor1n - 1/1/11 at 7:08pm
post #2076 of 36891

thats why i mentioned the word boring. i've seen you voice your disagreement and i am agreeing with you. they definitely aren't boring. i call it smooth and balanced. i'm not a treble junkie and without even hearing a grado i can safely assume that i wouldn't be a fan. i wouldn't want anymore treble than i already have. i prefer a slightly laid back sound. i don't mind being smacked in the face with a snare drum, but screaming guitars or shrill vocals can definitely bother my ears pretty much right away with the wrong speaker or headphone. 

 

i wouldn't mind being hit in the face a bit more with the snare drum on some recordings, but if that frequency range is made louder then vocals can become shrill and so can guitars. i've tried to EQ the midrange in my car and it can get dirty. so that's more of a recording or mastering issue to me.
 

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As I've stated in several threads, I just don't understand the "boring" description. I have wonderful synergy in my chain, as I'm sure you do, but I get the sense that it's a fine line so perhaps I can understand the other criticisms on gear that's not as good a match. My setup is modular so I can tweak and "colour" the sound to my liking (sort of like you with your cross-feed and treble options), but even in it's default configuration the HD650 is pretty damn good.

 

The benchmark for a fun and energetic presentation for me is the MS-1i, which I absolutely adore (I'm probably more of an Alessandro fanboy than a Sennheiser one). The Hd650 may lack the in your face aggression but it's certainly just as fun and engaging. Boring? I don't get it.

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HD 650s don't require much. My E7/E9 pairs with them quite well.

However, if you plan on moving beyond the HD 650s, you may want to buy a cheaper HRT Streamer and preorder the Schiit Lyr (amp). I can't think of anything the Lyr wouldn't drive appropriately. You can then later update the DAC if you want.

It'll put you about $100 over budget - the HRT Streamer is $130-$150 and the preorder for the Lyr is $449. Also, the Lyr won't ship till March. Lastly, no one but the Schiits at Schiit have heard the Lyr yet.


While your E7/E9 can drive the HD650s to adequate volumes, you are still leaving many cards on the table here. They scale very well and sound better and better with better gear. evil_smiley.gif Don't let the "lower" price tag (compared to the current crop of flagships) fool you...I still classify them as hifi.

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nice to see after seeing so many claim they are now "mid-fi". seeing the equipment in your sig leads me to believe you know what you are talking about. happy_face1.gif
 

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While your E7/E9 can drive the HD650s to adequate volumes, you are still leaving many cards on the table here. They scale very well and sound better and better with better gear. evil_smiley.gif Don't let the "lower" price tag (compared to the current crop of flagships) fool you...I still classify them as hifi.

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HD 650s don't require much. My E7/E9 pairs with them quite well.

However, if you plan on moving beyond the HD 650s, you may want to buy a cheaper HRT Streamer and preorder the Schiit Lyr (amp). I can't think of anything the Lyr wouldn't drive appropriately. You can then later update the DAC if you want.

It'll put you about $100 over budget - the HRT Streamer is $130-$150 and the preorder for the Lyr is $449. Also, the Lyr won't ship till March. Lastly, no one but the Schiits at Schiit have heard the Lyr yet.


While your E7/E9 can drive the HD650s to adequate volumes, you are still leaving many cards on the table here. They scale very well and sound better and better with better gear. evil_smiley.gif Don't let the "lower" price tag (compared to the current crop of flagships) fool you...I still classify them as hifi.


I've not heard the E9 but I suspect the bottleneck in that setup is the E7's WM8740 DAC, which I initially thought was the second coming when upgrading from my MacBook's onboard sound. I eventually found it somewhat congested and unrefined compared to the transparency and resolution of it's WM8741 big brother.

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Yeah, I appreciate someone with higher end gear who can comment on a headphone without turning it into a measuring contest. And that scalability comment is one that is often stated by members whose posts I value. I get the sense of it on my setup and is why I believe the HD650 will be with me for some time. I'm content for now but when the upgrade bug hits I'll be going a balanced Audio-GD setup built around the HD650.
 

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nice to see after seeing so many claim they are now "mid-fi". seeing the equipment in your sig leads me to believe you know what you are talking about. happy_face1.gif
 

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While your E7/E9 can drive the HD650s to adequate volumes, you are still leaving many cards on the table here. They scale very well and sound better and better with better gear. evil_smiley.gif Don't let the "lower" price tag (compared to the current crop of flagships) fool you...I still classify them as hifi.


 
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Just went over to ebay to ask the authorized Senn. dealer (razordogdeals) when the HD650s will be back in stock and got a surprising reply; according to the seller, Sennheiser will be raising the price of the HD650s in 2011 by  about 12% and the new price will be $379 - (not including shipping - me thinks).  Bummer considering that particular seller was the cheapest retailer online selling the HD650s brand new at abou ~$338 shipped.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
While your E7/E9 can drive the HD650s to adequate volumes, you are still leaving many cards on the table here. They scale very well and sound better and better with better gear. evil_smiley.gifDon't let the "lower" price tag (compared to the current crop of flagships) fool you...I still classify them as hifi.

Edited by sphinxvc - 1/1/11 at 9:15pm
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My main issues are still the slowness and the overall lack of dynamic punch. It's not that the 650 lacks slam, or even raw dynamic range... it lacks punch, which is the subjective sum total of the dynamic aspects of its presentation. Whatever it is, it's not there.
What amp do you use?
It's interesting you mention lack of punch. I listened a lot of Alan Parsons Project and Pink Floyd last week. I was actually impressed how slammy it sounded.
I did a reality check by switching between my Darkvoice and the headphone out of my DAC.
The difference in punchyness is really easy to tell. My Darkvoice definitely lifts it up. To an impressive level actually. Mind you this is a tube amp. Another myth busted about all tube amps lacking punch.
My point is the HD650 needs a nice amp to really shine.

 

Agree with you on this I do. After now having these headphone for nearly a week, I have tried them on a tube amp and then on a the Ruby Carat DAC, and I'll say the ruby carat MkII makes tracks sound like they are live in front of you with a tonne of punch, base and treble (full spectrum).

. The tube amp makes the headphones sound like crap in my opinion. Although it could be my tube amps headphone jack having issues.  
 

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which seller?
 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

Just went over to ebay to ask the authorized Senn. dealer when the HD650s will be back in stock and got a surprising reply; according to the seller, Sennheiser will be raising the price of the HD650s in 2011 by  about 12% and the new price will be $379 - (not including shipping - me thinks).  Bummer considering that particular seller was the cheapest retailer online selling the HD650s brand new at abou ~$338 shipped.

 

 

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My main issues are still the slowness and the overall lack of dynamic punch. It's not that the 650 lacks slam, or even raw dynamic range... it lacks punch, which is the subjective sum total of the dynamic aspects of its presentation. Whatever it is, it's not there.
What amp do you use?
It's interesting you mention lack of punch. I listened a lot of Alan Parsons Project and Pink Floyd last week. I was actually impressed how slammy it sounded.
I did a reality check by switching between my Darkvoice and the headphone out of my DAC.
The difference in punchyness is really easy to tell. My Darkvoice definitely lifts it up. To an impressive level actually. Mind you this is a tube amp. Another myth busted about all tube amps lacking punch.
My point is the HD650 needs a nice amp to really shine.

 

Agree with you on this I do. After now having these headphone for nearly a week, I have tried them on a tube amp and then on a the Ruby Carat DAC, and I'll say the ruby carat MkII makes tracks sound like they are live in front of you with a tonne of punch, base and treble (full spectrum).

. The tube amp makes the headphones sound like crap in my opinion. Although it could be my tube amps headphone jack having issues.  
 



Another voice to the fray. Like I've stated before, I believe the HD650 is incredibly dependent on your chain. I perceive quite a change not just rolling opamps but also switching to my RA-1 clone. It boggles my mind when I read people spew dribble when all they have to base it on is driving the HD650 from a portable amp or maybe a "sufficient" amp but from a crappy source. These headphones clearly illustrate the "crap in, crap out" mantra for me.

post #2085 of 36891

Ah, thanks for reminding me - edited the post..

 

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which seller?
 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

Just went over to ebay to ask the authorized Senn. dealer when the HD650s will be back in stock and got a surprising reply; according to the seller, Sennheiser will be raising the price of the HD650s in 2011 by  about 12% and the new price will be $379 - (not including shipping - me thinks).  Bummer considering that particular seller was the cheapest retailer online selling the HD650s brand new at abou ~$338 shipped.

 

 


 
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