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post #20521 of 20529

Can anyone who owns the HD 650 as well as the Asus Essence STX II sound card comment on the pair's AQ vs using the Schiit stack (Modi/Magni) or the O2 stack?

 

I just sold my unassembled Bottlehead Crack + Speedball kit because I realized that I will never have room on my desk to use it. I'm also trying to get rid of my Magni in favor of something easier to use, like plugging directly into the sound card, along the capability of alternating output between my speakers (Swan MK200MKIII's, which I use 90% of the time) and the HD 650's.

post #20522 of 20529

Hello all.  I recently picked up the HD650 from the Amazon flash sale for dirt cheap.  I wanted to post some of my impressions in here just because.

 

For a little background, I'm a big fan of bright, detailed cans like the AKG Q701 and the HiFiMAN HE-4.  I avoided the HD650 for quite some time as everything I've read about them suggests that they're pretty much the opposite of my preferred sound signature.

 

Fast forward to last Wednesday when I saw a deal I couldn't pass up.  For the price I paid, if I don't like them, I can just resell them at cost (or return them to Amazon).  They came in on Friday and my first impressions were about what I was expecting:  these are a warm headphone, very mid-centric, with recessed/veiled highs.  The bass is capable but not in-your-face and the soundstage is just average.  Imaging is very very good.

 

The thing that strikes me most, besides the dark, intimate sound, is how they're super forgiving for bad recordings, yet they sound really good with good recordings.  Most of the detail cans I'm used to will just butcher bad recordings (deservedly so, but still).  These smooth right over the defects and leave you with a very inoffensive sound.

 

And that overall inoffensive sound is what I didn't like about them.  While they sound great for some genres, for others they just do NOT have the energy to shine.  Things like metal and EDM are just too lifeless on these.

 

But wait!  On Saturday, my new Project Amber tube amp (along with 4 tubes) arrived!  After spending a lot of time rolling tubes and getting a feel for it with the HE-4, I put my favorite tube back in and realized that I wasn't really sold on it.  The tube sound kinda ruined what was awesome about the HE-4.  So I figured I'd swap in the HD650 for a bit just to see how it sounds.

 

Holy cow!  I now know what people mean when they say that synergy of your components is more important than any individual component.  The Ember on its own and the HD650 on its own were both just okay to me.  But together, the 650 really came to life!  I mean, I don't want to overstate the changes, but we all know that very small changes can make a big difference overall.  And something about the Ember just makes the HD650 sing.

 

So here I am wondering what to do as I can't keep both the HE-4 and the 650.  Before the choice was easy.  Now, I'm scratching my head wondering what I'm going to do.

 

Footnote of interest:  I also bought a HD700 that was even cheaper than the HD650 (!!) so as soon as that comes in, I'm sure my decision will be even harder.

 

Thanks for listening to me ramble.  That way way longer than I intended...

 

(Oh, and since someone asked, I'm listening to Yes right now (FLAC->NFB-15.32->Project Ember->HD650) and it's quite nice!  Jon Anderson's voice is well-served by these mid-centric cans.  And their forgiving nature really smooths over the rough recording quality.  I've never quite liked listening to Yes on the HE-4... too peaky in the trebles.  Listening to "Yours is No Disgrace" right now and it's pretty awesome, actually.)


Edited by Stillhart - Yesterday at 8:17 pm
post #20523 of 20529
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 


 "I would say a great lack of body AND bass compared to the HD-650, on top of a treble a bit too harsh."

 

I have both cans and what you describe is exactly how the T1's sound when poorly amped the problem is the quality of your amplification your source or both! Not the T1's.

 

They are considered TOTL headphones its unrealistic to expect them to sing if pairing with low budget amplification it just isn't going to happen. When properly run the T1's are just epic in comparison to the HD650 which are great cans in their own right.

Alright, I'm just going to apologize to Beyerdynamic and take back most of my really unfair early impressions for the T1. Such a great headphone.

 

I spend two days with my HD-650 only and plugged my T1 on my ODAC/H10 out of curiosity because I'm going to ship them to their new owner tomorrow. 

No idea what happened, maybe because my ears were rested, or my H10 finally broke-in, but I feel completely different about them tonight.

 

True (without any EQ) the bass could have a little more impact to my taste, the midrange more smoothness, transparency and presence, and the highs less of a cutting edge to it. It still feels fatiguing, which I'm not a big fan of, but nowhere near as bad as before where my ears couldn't stand the high frequencies more than 20 minutes.

 

A warm tone, with decent bass, body, a ton of details and an impressive soundstage. I should have been in bed 2h ago, yet I'm still going from one song to another to listen how good it is, not even doing anything else. It never happened before. Much more emotion and PRaT.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the HD-650 for what they are (quite different, except for some warmness shared), but the T1 just mind-blowned me :biggrin: 


Edited by Kyno - Yesterday at 8:41 pm
post #20524 of 20529

yes guys...keep the hd650. 

 

yes guys ...if u hv more coins, keep the T1 too.

 

yes guys...time to hit the sack !!

post #20525 of 20529

I can has coins? I wants W3000anv to joins the T1 & HD650 party

post #20526 of 20529

http://www.head-fi.org/t/742519/pure-solid-silver-cable-for-sennheiser-hd600-hd650

 

for those who are itching to try ...how about this?? 

post #20527 of 20529
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Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
 

Alright, I'm just going to apologize to Beyerdynamic and take back most of my really unfair early impressions for the T1. Such a great headphone.

 

I spend two days with my HD-650 only and plugged my T1 on my ODAC/H10 out of curiosity because I'm going to ship them to their new owner tomorrow. 

No idea what happened, maybe because my ears were rested, or my H10 finally broke-in, but I feel completely different about them tonight.

 

True (without any EQ) the bass could have a little more impact to my taste, the midrange more smoothness, transparency and presence, and the highs less of a cutting edge to it. It still feels fatiguing, which I'm not a big fan of, but nowhere near as bad as before where my ears couldn't stand the high frequencies more than 20 minutes.

 

A warm tone, with decent bass, body, a ton of details and an impressive soundstage. I should have been in bed 2h ago, yet I'm still going from one song to another to listen how good it is, not even doing anything else. It never happened before. Much more emotion and PRaT.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the HD-650 for what they are (quite different, except for some warmness shared), but the T1 just mind-blowned me :biggrin: 


I think the T1 and the HD650 compliment each other well.

It's also worth noting that sometimes you need to give your ears some time to adjust to headphones, particularly if their sounds contrast to the one you already own. I'm still noticing and understanding the contrasting characteristics of those two headphones.

 

Also, my mistake at the start was concentrating on comparing headphones, instead of listening and enjoying your music. That's what's important in the end. It's a good sign when a headphone keep you from going to bed. Being a nightowl I enjoy late night listening sessions immensely :)

post #20528 of 20529
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Originally Posted by Stillhart View Post

But wait!  On Saturday, my new Project Amber tube amp (along with 4 tubes) arrived!  After spending a lot of time rolling tubes and getting a feel for it with the HE-4, I put my favorite tube back in and realized that I wasn't really sold on it.  The tube sound kinda ruined what was awesome about the HE-4.  So I figured I'd swap in the HD650 for a bit just to see how it sounds.

Holy cow!  I now know what people mean when they say that synergy of your components is more important than any individual component.  The Ember on its own and the HD650 on its own were both just okay to me.  But together, the 650 really came to life!  I mean, I don't want to overstate the changes, but we all know that very small changes can make a big difference overall.  And something about the Ember just makes the HD650 sing.
I would say that something would be tubes... Anyone who enjoys the tube sound should audition HD-650s.
What tube are you using?
post #20529 of 20529
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Originally Posted by mikoss View Post


I would say that something would be tubes... Anyone who enjoys the tube sound should audition HD-650s.
What tube are you using?

 

From memory, I believe it's an Amperex 6DJ8.  I listened to the four that I had and this seemed to be the best with my HE-4, but it wasn't as good as I'd have liked.  I popped my HD650 in and was really impressed.  I might have to roll the other tubes with the HD650 now just to see how they do on that can.

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