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Malfunkt:

 

Thanks for this tip. Not really looking for a match amp for my 650. But will keep this on file. Am using an RSA SR71B bal, and a Bryston BHA-1, for 650.

 

Does the C5D "unveil" the upper mids and treble without messing with the relaxed nature of the 650? THAT is the key!

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Originally Posted by CanadianMaestro View Post
 

Malfunkt:

 

Thanks for this tip. Not really looking for a match amp for my 650. But will keep this on file. Am using an RSA SR71B bal, and a Bryston BHA-1, for 650.

 

Does the C5D "unveil" the upper mids and treble without messing with the relaxed nature of the 650? THAT is the key!

 

Chord Hugo does that. I have HD 650 + Hugo combo and it's simply amazing. With Hugo, there's no trace of any veil. Hugo's best features are its transparent sound and amazing bass so I think it's one of the best pairings with HD650s. The bass hits hard and clear whilst mids and highs still sound awesome.

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So I'll be getting an HD650 with a really good diy tube amp or and HD700 to use straight out of the Fiio X5, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
P.S. I mostly listen to classic rock (R.E.M, Eagles, Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, and Led Zeppelin) and Beatles
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So I'll be getting an HD650 with a really good diy tube amp or and HD700 to use straight out of the Fiio X5, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
P.S. I mostly listen to classic rock (R.E.M, Eagles, Aerosmith, Pink Floyd, and Led Zeppelin) and Beatles


650 is terrific with a tube or S-S amp with enough power to drive its 300-ohms Z. Don't know about 700 with X5 player. Not too sure if X5 has enuff power to comfortably drive the 700 -- dynamics might suffer. I have X3 and use IEMs with it. It didn't sound too good with my 650 out of X3. Sluggish dynamics mostly.

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Chord Hugo does that. I have HD 650 + Hugo combo and it's simply amazing. With Hugo, there's no trace of any veil. Hugo's best features are its transparent sound and amazing bass so I think it's one of the best pairings with HD650s. The bass hits hard and clear whilst mids and highs still sound awesome.


Sounds good, thanks. I have a BDA-1 Bryston on main rig, and for portable, a Fostex HP-P1 DAC/amp which is quite good with 650. I think 650 has enough bass as is, imo. The highs could be clearer, crisper, and more pristine.

https://sites.google.com/site/audiomeisterssystem/audio-components/sennheiser-650

 

cheers enjoy.

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Originally Posted by CanadianMaestro View Post


650 is terrific with a tube or S-S amp with enough power to drive its 300-ohms Z. Don't know about 700 with X5 player. Not too sure if X5 has enuff power to comfortably drive the 700 -- dynamics might suffer. I have X3 and use IEMs with it. It didn't sound too good with my 650 out of X3. Sluggish dynamics mostly.
Thank you for the quick reply. As you know HD650 is really picky about amps but the X5 is actually capable of driving cans in that range, however the HD700s are only 150 ohms so they might actually be a good pair together smily_headphones1.gif
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OK, didn't know that about the 700's lower 150-ohm Z. I would audition it out of X5 before pulling the trigger. Specs are on paper, but your ears will be the final judge. With X3, the specs did not quite match my expectations -- I still find X3 a bit cold and grainy. Still love my iPod Classic 7G or 5.5G, with lossless files! Sounded very smooth when coupled with a portable like SR71B balanced out. Wow. Tons of memory too. Do a balanced cable and amp if you can! :L3000:

cheers


Edited by CanadianMaestro - 8/2/14 at 3:23pm
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OK, didn't know that about the 700's lower 150-ohm Z. I would audition it out of X5 before pulling the trigger. Specs are on paper, but your ears will be the final judge. With X3, the specs did not quite match my expectations -- I still find X3 a bit cold and grainy. Still love my iPod Classic 7G or 5.5G, with lossless files! Tons of memory too.
cheers
Well that's the problem. There isn't any place in my country that I could go to audition them unfortunately.
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Well that's the problem. There isn't any place in my country that I could go to audition them unfortunately.


I think the new X5 holds its value very well, so reselling should not be difficult. If you are tight on $, check the audio marts like CAM. Headphones galore, and some sellers might ship internationally. eBay too.  Good luck! Perfect sound is ever elusive, so don't get too OCD.:biggrin:

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An upgrade cable or retermination sounds like it "improves" the sound because it is less of a bottleneck than the original component(s), not because it somehow conditions the signal or anything.


We will have to agree to disagree on that one. to me cables just sound different depending on thickness or if silver plated etc and any bottleneck in a cable pails in comparison to the effect of bottlenecks in amps from electrolytic capacitors and budget volume pots used in the majority of amps. I don't mean to be down on aftermarket cables enjoying music is a personal thing and its super if you have a cable that suits your own preferances.


Edited by JamieMcC - 8/2/14 at 3:57pm
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I couldn't agree more. I'm listening more to Royals than Pure Heroine and couldn't dream of a better headphone for that. For London Grammar Wasting My Younger Hears, the dark and warm sound do wonders. I could also add Lindsey Stirling Crystallize, can't stand that violin 10 sec on the T90 but sounds really really nice on the HD-650.

 

But I can also find quite a lot of music across all categories they doesn't do well for me due to a lack of clarity.

 

 

That's my issue with the Crack, because I think the HE-500 might please me but I read they doesn't too well with it. A simple Emotiva MiniX would seem in order to keep the cost on a decent level for me. On the other hand, the Crack to be marvelous with HD-600/650...

 

 

I think I will probably wait for a Crack + Speedball to go on sale, then test it out on my HD-650 and eventually buy an HD-600 from Amazon to test it also. Both HPs are quite a bargain here, paid 250 € for the HD-650, and HD-600 is still 280 € shipped.

 

If none pleases me, I'll just resell the HD-650, send back the HD-600 to Amazon and continue my journey with HE-500 or whatever HPs could fit my liking.

 

I'll remember that cables can help in the end. I read a little about it and I often see it brings more clarity, which could be nice depending on where I'm at.

 

By the way, do you guys know if I should/can connect the Crack to my Asus Essence ST to use its DAC, or rather seek to buy another one for the Crack to test things out?

 

I also read about the Alo The Panam amp/dac (http://www.headfonia.com/portable-desktop-alo-the-panam/2/): 

Good news is that I enjoy the PanAm with the HD650 and the HD580 very much, so that doesn’t rule out the Sennheisers. The PanAm paired with the HD650 for instance is so enjoyable it’s taking over the role of my Bottlehead Crack as the HD650 amp. [...] This is just about as good as a sub $1,000 amplifier gets, and even comparable to some ~$1,500 amps out there.

 

It can currently be bought at $400 shipped. Argh, though decisions :biggrin: 

 

If you think the Cracks good with the HD650's and you are thinking ahead about the next set of phones consider the Beyerdynamic T1's they can be just epic paired with a hot rodded Crack :evil: 


Edited by JamieMcC - 8/2/14 at 4:17pm
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If you think the Cracks good with the HD650's and you are thinking ahead about the next set of phones consider the Beyerdynamic T1's they can be just epic paired with a hot rodded Crack :evil: 

That's good to know, thank you!

 

As long as the T1 isn't as bright/harsh as the T90, I would be happy on jump on that boat :D 

 

Hard to really get into the music when it goes "Sss*OUCH*omeone elsss*OUCH*e...". I also have the impression it sounds a tad metallic compared to the other headphones I tried. Other than that, I do like the signature and there is the PraT factor when I can find a song I can bear, which is actually somehow lacking with the HD-650.

 

Maybe I should have gone for the T1 + A1 combo (new) I came across last month for 1100 €, but I wanted to see how the T90 sounded before.


Edited by Kyno - 8/2/14 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by CanadianMaestro View Post

Malfunkt:

Thanks for this tip. Not really looking for a match amp for my 650. But will keep this on file. Am using an RSA SR71B bal, and a Bryston BHA-1, for 650.

Does the C5D "unveil" the upper mids and treble without messing with the relaxed nature of the 650? THAT is the key!

When I got my hd650s I tried them on several integrated amps. From Oppo to Rotel something didn't sound quite right. It was almost a bit confused, and close in. Oddly, running out of an underpowered amp for them but decent DAC - Traktor audio 2 - they seemed to have more brilliance but lacked any substance in the lower registers.

I feel like I'm hearing these for the first time and it's a relief that they sound this good. No problems with mids whatsoever, highs are fine without being overly sharp. Even with this improvement in sound quality, the signature is immensely listenable and not fatiguing.

I'm glad I got this, and it's a good stop before considering even getting anything 'higher-end'.

Been throwing everything at the hd650s. The bass boost on c5d is actually useful when switching between genres that require it.
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Originally Posted by Malfunkt View Post


When I got my hd650s I tried them on several integrated amps. From Oppo to Rotel something didn't sound quite right. It was almost a bit confused, and close in. Oddly, running out of an underpowered amp for them but decent DAC - Traktor audio 2 - they seemed to have more brilliance but lacked any substance in the lower registers.

I feel like I'm hearing these for the first time and it's a relief that they sound this good. No problems with mids whatsoever, highs are fine without being overly sharp. Even with this improvement in sound quality, the signature is immensely listenable and not fatiguing.

I'm glad I got this, and it's a good stop before considering even getting anything 'higher-end'.

Been throwing everything at the hd650s. The bass boost on c5d is actually useful when switching between genres that require it.

 

Thanks for the feedback about the JDS Labs C5D, it's actually something I can get easily here in Europe to test it out compared to the Crack. I will probably give it a shot and came back with my thoughts.

 

Chord Hugo too to be fair, but I need to add 1250 € :D


Edited by Kyno - 8/2/14 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
 

That's good to know, thank you!

 

As long as the T1 isn't as bright/harsh as the T90, I would be happy on jump on that boat :D 

 

Hard to really get into the music when it goes "Sss*OUCH*omeone elsss*OUCH*e...". I also have the impression it sounds a tad metallic compared to the other headphones I tried. Other than that, I do like the signature and there is the PraT factor when I can find a song I can bear, which is actually somehow lacking with the HD-650.

 

Maybe I should have gone for the T1 + A1 combo (new) I came across last month for 1100 €, but I wanted to see how the T90 sounded before.


I know where you are coming from and it can be cringe worthy the solution I found with film output caps is to  bypass them with a inexpensive Russian surplus Teflon capacitor the Teflon bypass really refines the top end of the T1, its cleaner, clear and smooth the improved resolution helps retrieve increased portrayal of nuance and delicacy in vocals and instruments which translates to better tonality and texture giving more presence/soul to the music.

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