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post #18556 of 20503
I agree although I've never felt the need to EQ.
post #18557 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Kyno View Post
 

Hi HD-650 owners!

 

I've been an happy owner of HD-650 for about 2 weeks. They have a great number of qualities and perform rather well considering I'm listening to a lot of different types of music (classical, movie/game OST, pop, trance...).

 

But I'm starting to get tired of the "muffled/bloated/veiled" sound they have in comparaison to the AKG K701 and T90 I tried. I definitely couldn't kept these last two, I must be sensitive to too bright/harsh treble because they would make my ears bleed a little after a few tracks :D (especially the T90!)

 

The HD-650 is a lot more "round" and soft this way, but the instruments sound so much clearer, distinct and louder (I actually discovered some cause I wasn't paying enough attention with the Sennheisers to some that were too far in the background) on the K701 and T90 that I'm not as hasty to go back to the HD-650 as usual... 

 

I'm not sure how to proceed now, because I don't know if it can be solved at all. They have been running on a simple Asus Essence ST for about 70h now.

 

I read (for instance: http://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/1bt1ct/getting_hd650s_need_help_with_amp_selection/c99x93g) that the Bottlehead Crack + Speedball was a formidable addition, and could lift that so-called "veil". 

 

I was also considering exchanging them to the HD-600 (or the HE-500, but I'm wearing the headphones for an extended period of time so the weight might become an issue, and they are around 600 € here against 250 € for both HD-600 and HD-650, that's quite a difference :D)... I'm just afraid to lose the bass and the overall dynamic I like on the HD-650, although I would choose to lose some bass for a clearer sound at that point.

 

What do you think? Did you ever felt the sound was clouded and managed to solve/lessen the problem?

 

Thanks a lot!

 

The root of your problem with all the phones you list is what you are driving them imho the Asus Essence ST just does not have a decent enough power supply to both drive and damp them. I have owned the K701 and some 600ohm  Beyer T1 as well as the HD650 they all will benefit from a improved power supply particularly in dynamics and bass.

 

Crack is a good choice if your planning to use high impedance phones but there are lots of other good options like the Project Sunrise or Ember also the Dsavitsk torpedo parafeed amp both are available as kits or ready assembled and can be found attractively priced pre owned.


Edited by JamieMcC - 8/2/14 at 1:33am
post #18558 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Why do so few people use EQ? It's free and reversible.

 

I've spent time playing with Audirvana+ and Voxengo's HarmoniEQ to correct the horrors of the HD 650 with some poorly mastered tracks (see earlier in this thread and Agnes Obel's Aventine album).  Beyond that, however, I can't see using EQ all of the time to correct a sound signature I don't like.  You either have to "learn" to love the HD 650s or move on, IMO.  As always, YMMV.

post #18559 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

I've spent time playing with Audirvana+ and Voxengo's HarmoniEQ to correct the horrors of the HD 650 with some poorly mastered tracks (see earlier in this thread and Agnes Obel's Aventine album).  Beyond that, however, I can't see using EQ all of the time to correct a sound signature I don't like.  You either have to "learn" to love the HD 650s or move on, IMO.  As always, YMMV.

This is true but it can become expensive very quickly. I bought the AKG Q701 before my 650 and they didn't work at all well for me - with or without EQ. The 650 on the other hand gets my preferred sound 90% right. The parametric EQ in JRiver can deal with the other 10% easily. YMMV.

However, as JamieMcC points out above, that sound card really isn't doing the business.
post #18560 of 20503

" try the spc cable...."

repeat this chant 3 times. 

post #18561 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post
 

" try the spc cable...."

repeat this chant 3 times. 

 

I prey at the Church of SPC.  But lock down on a decent amp and DAC first.  They are the meat and potatoes, the cable just brings a little bit of seasoning...

post #18562 of 20503

I put a silver OCC cable on 650. Opened up the upper-mids. Still relaxed 'phone, but now I can hear more details in the highs, airier. Good improvement. Also use a Cardas HP cable, which is excellent for even more smoothness.

post #18563 of 20503
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

 

I prey at the Church of SPC.  But lock down on a decent amp and DAC first.  They are the meat and potatoes, the cable just brings a little bit of seasoning...


+1 Source first and transparent amplification is king here, a aftermarket cable is icing on the cake. Importantly get your source and amplification right and you will probably not feel the need for a aftermarket cable. Its just to often bandied as a fix when really it is perhaps the very last thing in the chain that should come up for consideration to swap. A cable can not improve the signal once it has left the amp what it does is impart its own characteristics to the signal.  

post #18564 of 20503
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post


+1 Source first and transparent amplification is king here, a aftermarket cable is icing on the cake. Importantly get your source and amplification right and you will probably not feel the need for a aftermarket cable. Its just to often bandied as a fix when really it is perhaps the very last thing in the chain that should come up for consideration to swap. A cable can not improve the signal once it has left the amp what it does is impart its own characteristics to the signal.  

Agreed smily_headphones1.gif
post #18565 of 20503

First of all, thanks a lot to all! It's great to receive that kind of help when you're not sure where to go :)

 

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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post
 

 

I'm right there with you, but if you hang in there, good sounds are coming your way.  It took me a long time to appreciate the HD 650s and I've learned to be choosy about what music I listen to with these cans.  For me (my ears and my opinion) classical is out - it's too veiled, as you describe.  But for vocals or guitars, it's like hearing my old favorites for the first time.

 

Give it time and see if you can find your own set of preferences - they really are that good, once you get used to them and you learn what music sounds best with them.  And, remember, they hold their resale value well so you can always bail on them later.

 

You mention Pop above, so try Lorde's Pure Heroine with the 650s and see if you can't learn to love 'em.

 

I couldn't agree more. I'm listening more to Royals than Pure Heroine and couldn't dream of a better headphone for that. For London Grammar Wasting My Younger Hears, the dark and warm sound do wonders. I could also add Lindsey Stirling Crystallize, can't stand that violin 10 sec on the T90 but sounds really really nice on the HD-650.

 

But I can also find quite a lot of music across all categories they doesn't do well for me due to a lack of clarity.

 

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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

 

The root of your problem with all the phones you list is what you are driving them imho the Asus Essence ST just does not have a decent enough power supply to both drive and damp them. I have owned the K701 and some 600ohm  Beyer T1 as well as the HD650 they all will benefit from a improved power supply particularly in dynamics and bass.

 

Crack is a good choice if your planning to use high impedance phones but there are lots of other good options like the Project Sunrise or Ember also the Dsavitsk torpedo parafeed amp both are available as kits or ready assembled and can be found attractively priced pre owned.

 

 

That's my issue with the Crack, because I think the HE-500 might please me but I read they doesn't too well with it. A simple Emotiva MiniX would seem in order to keep the cost on a decent level for me. On the other hand, the Crack to be marvelous with HD-600/650...

 

 

I think I will probably wait for a Crack + Speedball to go on sale, then test it out on my HD-650 and eventually buy an HD-600 from Amazon to test it also. Both HPs are quite a bargain here, paid 250 € for the HD-650, and HD-600 is still 280 € shipped.

 

If none pleases me, I'll just resell the HD-650, send back the HD-600 to Amazon and continue my journey with HE-500 or whatever HPs could fit my liking.

 

I'll remember that cables can help in the end. I read a little about it and I often see it brings more clarity, which could be nice depending on where I'm at.

 

By the way, do you guys know if I should/can connect the Crack to my Asus Essence ST to use its DAC, or rather seek to buy another one for the Crack to test things out?

 

I also read about the Alo The Panam amp/dac (http://www.headfonia.com/portable-desktop-alo-the-panam/2/): 

Good news is that I enjoy the PanAm with the HD650 and the HD580 very much, so that doesn’t rule out the Sennheisers. The PanAm paired with the HD650 for instance is so enjoyable it’s taking over the role of my Bottlehead Crack as the HD650 amp. [...] This is just about as good as a sub $1,000 amplifier gets, and even comparable to some ~$1,500 amps out there.

 

It can currently be bought at $400 shipped. Argh, though decisions :biggrin: 


Edited by Kyno - 8/2/14 at 8:49am
post #18566 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Why do so few people use EQ? It's free and reversible.

 it's "known" that EQ is a bad thing, after all studio engineers would never use EQ.

post #18567 of 20503
Lol,
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post

 it's "known" that EQ is a bad thing, after all studio engineers would never use EQ.

Lol, indeed. I quite enjoy playing around with it and it can make some previously unlistenable tracks sound not too shabby.
post #18568 of 20503
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

I've spent time playing with Audirvana+ and Voxengo's HarmoniEQ to correct the horrors of the HD 650 with some poorly mastered tracks (see earlier in this thread and Agnes Obel's Aventine album).  Beyond that, however, I can't see using EQ all of the time to correct a sound signature I don't like.  You either have to "learn" to love the HD 650s or move on, IMO.  As always, YMMV.




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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post


+1 Source first and transparent amplification is king here, a aftermarket cable is icing on the cake. Importantly get your source and amplification right and you will probably not feel the need for a aftermarket cable. Its just to often bandied as a fix when really it is perhaps the very last thing in the chain that should come up for consideration to swap. A cable can not improve the signal once it has left the amp what it does is impart its own characteristics to the signal.  

An upgrade cable or retermination sounds like it "improves" the sound because it is less of a bottleneck than the original component(s), not because it somehow conditions the signal or anything.
post #18569 of 20503
Finally, I have an amp / DAC for the Hd650.

After a lot of research it seemed like the Objective2 ODAC combination would be the right fit. After a bit more research it led me to the JDS Labs C5D, as it would be very close in performance to the 02/ODAC plus give me the ability to lounge and listen anywhere .

Could not be more pleased. Up to now all my headphones were easy enough to drive. In getting the 650 I was having sub optimal results using my sound card,or integrated amplifier. The Rotel was lively, and it may be worth comparing again. It didn't quite sound right.

With the C5D - listening to the hd650 is just stunning. Great detail, open, and accurate sound. After trying some really high end DACs and amps (crack, mainline) at a recent local meet, it pushed me to look into heading this direction. If you are listening to this headphone out without proper amping or DAC you are missing out.

It really feels like I have reached a summit - there may be higher but I'm going to enjoy the view from here for a long time.
Edited by Malfunkt - 8/2/14 at 11:37am
post #18570 of 20503

Malfunkt:

 

Thanks for this tip. Not really looking for a match amp for my 650. But will keep this on file. Am using an RSA SR71B bal, and a Bryston BHA-1, for 650.

 

Does the C5D "unveil" the upper mids and treble without messing with the relaxed nature of the 650? THAT is the key!

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