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post #16711 of 36890
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Originally Posted by atraf View Post
 

You guys really surprised me, saying that the O2 is in the same league as Valhalla so why the hack people spend 350$ when they can spend so much less? 

I really thought about investing 400$ in a dac/amp combo but now your telling me its a waste of money cause I can get the same sound with something that cost a lot less. 

my problem is that there is no place for me to listen to any amp/dac before I purchase them, so I can only trust your reviews :\

Dude, I am not saying the O2/ODAC combo is better than the Modi/Valhalla one - and very likely not. My answer is for the people who have already got their O/O combos. In this case, O/O to M/V is definitely not considered an upgrade. So I would save the money for BH Crack with Speedball or Bifrost/Lyr or other upgrades, which can significantly improve the sound.

 

The O/O cost about $300, and the M/V about $450. Really not a big difference in this weird hifi world. So I think it is pretty fair to say that the 2 combos are in the same league.

 

However, if you have never purchased either of the combos, definitely go for the Modi/Valhalla one. It would probably sound better, and most importantly feel better with a higher price tag.


Edited by cddc - 4/10/14 at 12:40am
post #16712 of 36890
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Originally Posted by cddc View Post
 

Dude, I am not saying the O2/ODAC combo is better than the Modi/Valhalla one - and very likely not. My answer is for the people who have already got their O/O combos. In this case, O/O to M/V is definitely not considered an upgrade. So I would save the money for BH Crack with Speedball or Bifrost/Lyr or other upgrades, which can significantly improve the sound.

 

The O/O cost about $300, and the M/V about $450. Really not a big difference in this weird hifi world. So I think it is pretty fair to say that the 2 combos are in the same league.

 

However, if you have never purchased either of the combos, definitely go for the Modi/Valhalla one. It would probably sound better, and most importantly feel better with a higher price tag.

Thank you now I understand :) 

Just one more question will the Valhalla still be good with a cheap dac such as Hifimidy SABRE U2? 

post #16713 of 36890
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Originally Posted by atraf View Post

Thank you now I understand smily_headphones1.gif 
Just one more question will the Valhalla still be good with a cheap dac such as Hifimidy SABRE U2? 

If you can DIY, I'd say buy the crack. Even without the speedball mod, it sounds fantastic with the HD650. Significantly better than the Valhalla IMO.
post #16714 of 36890
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post
 

I recommend the Forza Audioworks cables. Reasonably prized, fantastic build quality and no fear of customs fees inside EU.

+1

post #16715 of 36890

Just finished reading an article on Tom's Hardware...http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/high-end-pc-audio,review-32894.html..If you take the time to read the entire section on making your pc into a HiFi audio platform you may find some to the things not to your liking about file types and the audio dacs and what not but it sure opened my eyes to what I have heard in the past about upgrading dacs and sound cards.

post #16716 of 36890
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Originally Posted by vc1187 View Post


If you can DIY, I'd say buy the crack. Even without the speedball mod, it sounds fantastic with the HD650. Significantly better than the Valhalla IMO.

With the HD 650's does stock Crack sound significantly better than the Lyr?

Why I ask: for electronics assembly newb (me), cost outlay for a DIY Crack is probly north of ~$330 + time to build (time worth $50-$150/hr to me depending on how I apply it). A new assembled & warranted stock Crack costs $530 + shipping (kit + BH-referred assembly by hifibuilderguy). Crack + Speed assembled is $735 ! + ship.

For me Lyr is $449 + $16 ship, or $399 + ship for Schitt-warranted b-stock.

I get it there's more to this than a $80+ cost difference - but is stock Crack orders of magnitude "better" with HD 650's than a Lyr?
("better" = all the quantitative measures + subjective blah blah used to evaluate headphone amps).
post #16717 of 36890
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Originally Posted by usery View Post


With the HD 650's does stock Crack sound significantly better than the Lyr?

Why I ask: for electronics assembly newb (me), cost outlay for a DIY Crack is probly north of ~$330 + time to build (time worth $50-$150/hr to me depending on how I apply it). A new assembled & warranted stock Crack costs $530 + shipping (kit + BH-referred assembly by hifibuilderguy). Crack + Speed assembled is $735 ! + ship.

For me Lyr is $449 + $16 ship, or $399 + ship for Schitt-warranted b-stock.

I get it there's more to this than a $80+ cost difference - but is stock Crack orders of magnitude "better" with HD 650's than a Lyr?
("better" = all the quantitative measures + subjective blah blah used to evaluate headphone amps).

 

One of the things worth bearing in mind with the Crack is while in standard form (with or without speedball) it really has great synergy with high impedance cans.

 

However if you have the desire to there is a established and well document upgrade path on the bh forum.  As little as $100 spent wisely on components and you might well find yourself in end game territory and not just with the HD650 but also if you use T1 or HD800 its seriously capable. 

post #16718 of 36890
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post

 

One of the things worth bearing in mind with the Crack is while in standard form (with or without speedball) it really has great synergy with high impedance cans.

 

However if you have the desire to there is a established and well document upgrade path on the bh forum.  As little as $100 spent wisely on components and you might well find yourself in end game territory and not just with the HD650 but also if you use T1 or HD800 its seriously capable. 

 

 

then we have assembled stock Crack at >$530 + $100 wise component upgrade + ~$75 my time/labor/cost to upgrade = >$700

 

I have HD 650, no plan to upgrade my cans.  So a couple questions remain:

 

For HD 650's is upgraded Crack at $700+ orders of magnitude "better" than Lyr at $450+?

Is Lyr orders-magnitude-less synergistic w/ hi-impedance cans?

post #16719 of 36890
I tried HD800 with Shiit stack and with Crack with Speedball plus some tube rolling and found Crack much better regardless of tubes i have tried with Lyr
post #16720 of 36890

I have heard  both with the HD 650s and I don't think the crack + speedball is significantly better than the lyr. In fact I think they sound pretty close this was with stock tubes in both.  

post #16721 of 36890
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Originally Posted by olddtfan View Post

I have heard  both with the HD 650s and I don't think the crack + speedball is significantly better than the lyr. In fact I think they sound pretty close this was with stock tubes in both.  

That's the problem. You need to change tubes to get better sound
post #16722 of 36890
1. Changing tubes is likely to affect both. Not just one.

2. Changing tubes affects the sound but not to a huge extent. It is audible but doesn't make it sound like a different amplifier.
post #16723 of 36890
Yes it affects both but senergy between HD650/800 and Crack is better
post #16724 of 36890

Well in your estimation maybe, but there are many combinations and I prefer my Garage 1217 Ember. Physically more appealing, takes up much less space on desktop, compared to friends crack with out upgrades, it sounds better to me.   Close but not worth the extra money or space consideration. 

post #16725 of 36890
I just got my pair of HD 650's. I've not opened the box yet. It's just sitting there, all silvery. Hmm...
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