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I'm thinking about giving up my chase of high end gear and going back to my favorite old headphone, the HD650 =]

 

Does anyone know the cheapest price to get these at?  I'm thinking about calling J&R, is there a price I should shoot for?


Call the guys at HeadRoom. They've given me crazy prices on stuff. They've told me they just can't list those prices online so they don't tick off their suppliers. 

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ahhhh! how I missed the HD650s natural and intimate voicing.  I have been spending all my time with the HD800 enjoying their detail, technicality and transparency with the "floaty" and "airy" voicing - a really nice effect.  But last night I was listening to the HD650 and could not take them off!  I guess I never realised how much the HD650 can bring to the table in terms of naturalness and intimacy. 

 

For its its technical shortcomings - I would never own a HD800 without owning the HD650 - or else I would never be brought back to earth.  Hmmmm, I guess I'll just have to be patient until I get my LCD2s returned back to me as they are on loan at the moment.  By the way...us guys that like the HD650 need to explore R2R style DAC conversion techniques - or even NOS...something so "right" about their natural presentations - free from digititis.  I got mine for $60 bucks and love it to death...enough to sell my Dacmagic and Bryston BDA-1.


Edited by SP Wild - 9/29/10 at 11:51pm
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ahhhh! how I missed the HD650s natural and intimate voicing.  I have been spending all my time with the HD800 enjoying their detail, technicality and transparency with the "floaty" and "airy" voicing - a really nice effect.  But last night I was listening to the HD650 and could not take them off!  I guess I never realised how much the HD650 can bring to the table in terms of naturalness and intimacy. 

 

For its its technical shortcomings - I would never own a HD800 without owning the HD650 - or else I would never be brought back to earth.  Hmmmm, I guess I'll just have to be patient until I get my LCD2s returned back to me as they are on loan at the moment.  By the way...us guys that like the HD650 need to explore R2R style DAC conversion techniques - or even NOS...something so "right" about their natural presentations - free from digititis.  I got mine for $60 bucks and love it to death...enough to sell my Dacmagic and Bryston BDA-1.


That's too hard to pass up for the price, just ordered one.

 

I'll be interested to see how it stacks up against the Antelope Zodiac when I get one next year.

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ahhhh! how I missed the HD650s natural and intimate voicing.  I have been spending all my time with the HD800 enjoying their detail, technicality and transparency with the "floaty" and "airy" voicing - a really nice effect.  But last night I was listening to the HD650 and could not take them off!  I guess I never realised how much the HD650 can bring to the table in terms of naturalness and intimacy. 

 

For its its technical shortcomings - I would never own a HD800 without owning the HD650 - or else I would never be brought back to earth.  Hmmmm, I guess I'll just have to be patient until I get my LCD2s returned back to me as they are on loan at the moment.  By the way...us guys that like the HD650 need to explore R2R style DAC conversion techniques - or even NOS...something so "right" about their natural presentations - free from digititis.  I got mine for $60 bucks and love it to death...enough to sell my Dacmagic and Bryston BDA-1.


Sam glad you are enjoying other cans again. Sometimes we get so caught up with our new toy we forget what we liked so much about the other cans we own. I spent time with my T1 and Classical and jazz and still love the open dynamic sound stage. As I have said its all about synergy and the three cans I use most I love each one for their different presentations. They are all special in their own way and each bring something different to the table.

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Sam glad you are enjoying other cans again. Sometimes we get so caught up with our new toy we forget what we liked so much about the other cans we own. I spent time with my T1 and Classical and jazz and still love the open dynamic sound stage. As I have said its all about synergy and the three cans I use most I love each one for their different presentations. They are all special in their own way and each bring something different to the table.

How would you describe the sound of the T1 compared to the HD650?

Two things are particularly important for me: smooth and non aggressive highs, with good extension, and "fully integrated" bass, mids and bass should blend, amalgamate together.
 

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How would you describe the sound of the T1 compared to the HD650?

Two things are particularly important for me: smooth and non aggressive highs, with good extension, and "fully integrated" bass, mids and bass should blend, amalgamate together.
 


One can I have never heard is the 650. Would like too but the T1 is very balanced and really to this day I find they do little wrong and it is very neutral.  Everything blends well.

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How would you describe the sound of the T1 compared to the HD650?

Two things are particularly important for me: smooth and non aggressive highs, with good extension, and "fully integrated" bass, mids and bass should blend, amalgamate together.
 

 

Compared to the HD650 - T1 is more air, more 3D, more detail, more treble, less bass, less midrange warmth (but not in a bad way). 

 

 

Compared to the HD800 the T1 is a slightly warmer, slightly bassier and slightly less treble-hot version (I sold my HD800 because of the treble inensity), but without loosing detail. When HD800 forces the detail onto you, the T1 just lets the detail flow into your ears. And soundstaging is also great. And separation. Slightly more intimate than the HD800, but plenty of that 3D effect. But the T1 can also make a treble sensitive person reach out for the HD650 on some recordings. Have both at hand. Anyway - you will end up listening to the same records twice as much because they become so enjoyably different through these two headphones. My subjective experiences is done using SS amps (mainly Grace m902)

 

T1 is concert hall - HD650 is jazzclub. They complement each other perfectly. 


Edited by ardilla - 9/30/10 at 7:24am
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After reading the last couple of posts regarding HD800's/T1's, all of a sudden, I love my HD650's because they're both so good and so cheap.

 


Edited by beeman458 - 9/30/10 at 8:02am
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Compared to the HD650 - T1 is more air, more 3D, more detail, more treble, less bass, less midrange warmth (but not in a bad way). 

 

 

Compared to the HD800 the T1 is a slightly warmer, slightly bassier and slightly less treble-hot version (I sold my HD800 because of the treble inensity), but without loosing detail. When HD800 forces the detail onto you, the T1 just lets the detail flow into your ears. And soundstaging is also great. And separation. Slightly more intimate than the HD800, but plenty of that 3D effect. But the T1 can also make a treble sensitive person reach out for the HD650 on some recordings. Have both at hand. Anyway - you will end up listening to the same records twice as much because they become so enjoyably different through these two headphones. My subjective experiences is done using SS amps (mainly Grace m902)

 

T1 is concert hall - HD650 is jazzclub. They complement each other perfectly. 


I didn't find the T1 to have significantly more treble than the HD650 - only a trace more...what is does have, I found is a more precise and crisp treble with much better transient response - I don't think anyone that has treble sensitivity will have a problem with the T1.

 

The bass I find them to have a similar bass response - with the T1 once again having a much better transient bass with more rhythm and layering to it.  The only significant difference I find between the two tonally is that the T1 is less "warm" and more "neutralish" in that the upper mids have a noticeable more presence - I think this is how most people interpret the T1 to have a more top end and less bottom end presence.  The only thing that troubles me personally with the T1 is that I feel I hear them as not a true "open" can design.  The HD650 sounds more "open" in this specific area - I also hear a bigger "headstage" in the HD650....but the T1 does present a more "open soundstage".

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That's too hard to pass up for the price, just ordered one.

 

I'll be interested to see how it stacks up against the Antelope Zodiac when I get one next year.


You don't really have anything to lose...that is the only reason I am yelling at the top of my lungs about this little beauty.  Its a throwaway DAC, don't like it...practice modding skills with it, or chuck it in the bin, or a fancy looking paper weight.

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You don't really have anything to lose...that is the only reason I am yelling at the top of my lungs about this little beauty.  Its a throwaway DAC, don't like it...practice modding skills with it, or chuck it in the bin, or a fancy looking paper weight.



sam what opamp is in the BCL

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sam what opamp is in the BCL


I really don't know Frank.  Whatever is in the BCL, I was told it was soldered directly to the board as opposed to the Matrix, which is user replaceable without soldering.  Interesting sidenote, I messaged coolfungadget on ebay about purchasing the Matrix because I could use the multiple inputs for my future DAC shootout - I told him I would shoot it straight out with the BCL and to recommend the best unit for this purpose (there are several versions I think), because I was going to post the results - everyone wants to know, are they in the same league (I don't care for a different tonal balance - that's OK, I'll be checking only the technicalities) - I message him yesterday and he hasn't responded.  I might get the Matrix any way and if it's as good as the BCL, I'd sell the BCL to fund for more sources - but the Asgard costs the same - and it's proper class A.  I'll be looking forward to your comparison.

 

Regarding this 60 dollar DAC...take a peek into the RWA Isabellina DAC - the DAC board is no bigger than this little thing - and it also uses maybe the exact same DAC chip, but only one, in NOS configuration.  Then check the price of the Isabellina.  I've also got this mini DAC on a car battery...so no advantages to RWA in this regard.  The battery power does so much to refine the sound of this little DAC.  I remember someone in the Matrix thread posting something about how they manage to sell an Xbox 360 at the prices they do when the internals are way more complex than any amp - that post is always on my mind nowadays.


Edited by SP Wild - 9/30/10 at 12:24pm
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I really don't know Frank.  Whatever is in the BCL, I was told it was soldered directly to the board as opposed to the Matrix, which is user replaceable without soldering.  Interesting sidenote, I messaged coolfungadget on ebay about purchasing the Matrix because I could use the multiple inputs for my future DAC shootout - I told him I would shoot it straight out with the BCL and to recommend the best unit for this purpose (there are several versions I think), because I was going to post the results - everyone wants to know, are they in the same league (I don't care for a different tonal balance - that's OK, I'll be checking only the technicalities) - I message him yesterday and he hasn't responded.  I might get the Matrix any way and if it's as good as the BCL, I'd sell the BCL to fund for more sources - but the Asgard costs the same - and it's proper class A.  I'll be looking forward to your comparison.

 

Regarding this 60 dollar DAC...take a peek into the RWA Isabellina DAC - the DAC board is no bigger than this little thing - and it also uses maybe the exact same DAC chip, but only one, in NOS configuration.  Then check the price of the Isabellina.  I've also got this mini DAC on a car battery...so no advantages to RWA in this regard.  The battery power does so much to refine the sound of this little DAC.  I remember someone in the Matrix thread posting something about how they manage to sell an Xbox 360 at the prices they do when the internals are way more complex than any amp - that post is always on my mind nowadays.



I tried to get the V2 from Jeffrey same deal never answered me and I guess he is afraid to put them side by side. Glad your thinking about the comparison for the BCL and finally we will get a direct comparison. Tomorrow I will have the Asgard and compare the two. I am loving the tube rig on the LCD2 now and ii is so dynamic with plenty of power so its not a big deal but curiosity is getting to me to see if the power of the Asgard will make a difference. If I was using PC I would try the Dac shoot Baka a PM he into DAC's

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I tried to get the V2 from Jeffrey same deal never answered me and I guess he is afraid to put them side by side. Glad your thinking about the comparison for the BCL and finally we will get a direct comparison. Tomorrow I will have the Asgard and compare the two. I am loving the tube rig on the LCD2 now and ii is so dynamic with plenty of power so its not a big deal but curiosity is getting to me to see if the power of the Asgard will make a difference. If I was using PC I would try the Dac shoot Baka a PM he into DAC's


Just to pique your curiosity some more, here are the internal shots of the much revered and highly acclaimed Isabellina - with descriptions, you can be the judge. 

 

I am not putting it down.  I am sure it is as phenomenal as they say it is and I'm pretty sure I'd probably prefer it over the multi thousand dollar Bryston - You are paying for the sound,  I'd purchase one for it's remote control!  People who love the HD650 and LCD2 is looking for this natural presentation, and HD650 owners aren't rich - and I feel better about myself helping the less fortunate - and the DAC I recommend costs 60 measly freakin dollars - and I still definitely prefer it over the Bryston!!!

 

I did not kick up a fuss when I bought the Bryston, nor did I kick up a fuss when I bought the D7000...I did kick up a fuss about the LCD2 - because I saw it for what it was - a freakin bargain.  I will kick up a fuss about this little DAC, because it is the same kind of bargain, only multiplied by 50 times.  My audio reference is and always has been the privilege I had to listen to music at the most intimate level as a pretend musician (I admit it, drummers aren't real musicians!). 

 

I full threw my full support at the M-Stage for the same reason - and I do have a university degree in commerce, I do know about how business operates, I kid you not. 

 

Edit - I forgot to mention, you connect this DAC to the back of your Marantz DV6001 via the digital output, and it will kill the Marantz.


Edited by SP Wild - 9/30/10 at 1:25pm
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Nice internals. The 6001 has six crystal Dac 24/192 and it also has upsampling so as I use SACD frequently I am not interested in separate dacs.

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