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post #16486 of 18494
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post
 

Hello HD650 lovers, a fellow HD650 owner here of many years looking to finally make the plunge into external amp ownership, I am currently running my HD650s on a ASUS Xonar Xense and factory cables (which I also have plans of upgrading), with that being said I have what I guess is going to be a loaded question:

 

Note: 100% use of my cans are done on my desktop computer with the use ranging from listening to music to gaming.

 

1) As far as getting a cable upgrade for the longest time I have been wanting to get a Cardas cable upgrade but never did, are Cardas still a relevant upgrade or has something "better" come along?

 

2) As far as amps go, I have been on the fence with getting either a Bottlehead Crack OTL w/Speedball Upgrade or a Schitt Lyr, which of these two would be for my setup and use?

 

My one and only hold back with getting the Bottlehead Crack is the fact that I don't have a soldering rig or have any experience at all with soldering, while I do have someone that is willing to do this for me on the free, said person lives a few hours away from me and I really would not want to 'bother' them with assembling this for me, trying to figure out if the Bottlehead Crack is really THAT much better than the Schitt Lyr.

 

With the cost difference of $55 to get the Schitt Lyr vs Bottlehead Crack not bothering me in any way, should I go for it or get the Bottlehead?

 

I LOVE the aesthetics of the Lyr (while I know looks are not everything for an amp) so that is a plus for me.

 

Does anyone have experience with both amps, if so which did you prefer?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice. (waits for the Bottlehead crack recommendations)

 

I have no experience with any of the Schitt gear myself but will throw in the thought that it is possible to easily mod up the Crack at a later date. For less than $100 you can up scale its performance quiet noticeably. Which imho makes much more sense than a new cable which you simply won't require. This could save you money in the long run if considering another amp purchase sometime in the future.


Edited by JamieMcC - 3/28/14 at 8:37am
post #16487 of 18494
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I have no experience with any of the Schitt gear myself but will throw in the thought that it is possible to easily mod up the Crack at a later date. For less than $100 you can up scale its performance quiet noticeably. Which imho makes much more sense than a new cable which you simply won't require. This could save you money in the long run if considering another amp purchase sometime in the future.


Other than the Speedball upgrade that I intend to to right off the bat, what other upgrades are there to do on the Crack, I assume tube rolling?

post #16488 of 18494
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

 

Its best with high impedance phone 300ohm plus but saying that my ATH W1000X sound ok out of it and they are 42 ohms. There are plenty of folk about who think it pairs well with HD800's and T1's (I do).  Everyone has a personal view on the expensive of equipment but if you have spent hundreds or even over a thousand on a pair of cans don't expect to them to perform at their best when paired with a budget amp, cause it just ain't going to happen.

So they work well with other headphones maybe i'll make "Crack"my birthday git to me. lol I have to have a reason. lol

Your telling the truth about everyone view I have the ATH 900x combo with the DX50 and CC bht (my portable rig) I love it!

I was using the 650 with D100, HA INFO and Darkvoice3322.

I just did not want to buy the "Crack"  just for the 650.

I bought the A28 to go with my Alpha dogs and its a great match.

post #16489 of 18494
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post
 

Hello HD650 lovers, a fellow HD650 owner here of many years looking to finally make the plunge into external amp ownership, I am currently running my HD650s on a ASUS Xonar Xense and factory cables (which I also have plans of upgrading), with that being said I have what I guess is going to be a loaded question:

 

Note: 100% use of my cans are done on my desktop computer with the use ranging from listening to music to gaming.

 

1) As far as getting a cable upgrade for the longest time I have been wanting to get a Cardas cable upgrade but never did, are Cardas still a relevant upgrade or has something "better" come along?

 

2) As far as amps go, I have been on the fence with getting either a Bottlehead Crack OTL w/Speedball Upgrade or a Schitt Lyr, which of these two would be for my setup and use?

 

My one and only hold back with getting the Bottlehead Crack is the fact that I don't have a soldering rig or have any experience at all with soldering, while I do have someone that is willing to do this for me on the free, said person lives a few hours away from me and I really would not want to 'bother' them with assembling this for me, trying to figure out if the Bottlehead Crack is really THAT much better than the Schitt Lyr.

 

With the cost difference of $55 to get the Schitt Lyr vs Bottlehead Crack not bothering me in any way, should I go for it or get the Bottlehead?

 

I LOVE the aesthetics of the Lyr (while I know looks are not everything for an amp) so that is a plus for me.

 

Does anyone have experience with both amps, if so which did you prefer?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice. (waits for the Bottlehead crack recommendations)

I'm obsessed with cables, but will be one of the first to tell you that you should spend your money first on a good DAC and amp.  You will get FAR more improvements with those than with any cable, no matter how much unicorn hair was used in building it.  

post #16490 of 18494
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I'm obsessed with cables, but will be one of the first to tell you that you should spend your money first on a good DAC and amp.  You will get FAR more improvements with those than with any cable, no matter how much unicorn hair was used in building it.  


What DAC would be a good compliment for the Crack?

I have not even considered getting a DAC at all yet so will be up to whatever suggestions there are.

post #16491 of 18494
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Originally Posted by FraGGleR View Post
 

I'm obsessed with cables, but will be one of the first to tell you that you should spend your money first on a good DAC and amp.  You will get FAR more improvements with those than with any cable, no matter how much unicorn hair was used in building it.  


What DAC would be a good compliment for the Crack?

I have not even considered getting a DAC at all yet so will be up to whatever suggestions there are.

You can start with Bifrost Uber or DacMagic Plus
post #16492 of 18494
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post
 


What DAC would be a good compliment for the Crack?

I have not even considered getting a DAC at all yet so will be up to whatever suggestions there are.

 

You might look into the O DAC.

post #16493 of 18494

Convinced by this thread, I recently purchased an HD650 :)

 

With little knowledge on amps/dacs, I think it's better to start with something not so expensive. So I am considering buying a Hifiman EF-2A for my HD650.

 

Do you guys think it will be a good staring point? Will EF-2A be a good fit for my HD650? Or do you have other rigs to recommend?

 

Thanks a lot!

post #16494 of 18494

One more question on my HD650 is about the serial number. The number on my HD650 is 170,xxx. Some rumor says that Senn has implemented some improvements over the latest HD650s (with serial number above 170K).

 

Is that true? If so, what kind of improvements? Thanks.

post #16495 of 18494
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Originally Posted by cddc View Post
 

Convinced by this thread, I recently purchased an HD650 :)

 

With little knowledge on amps/dacs, I think it's better to start with something not so expensive. So I am considering buying a Hifiman EF-2A for my HD650.

 

Do you guys think it will be a good staring point? Will EF-2A be a good fit for my HD650? Or do you have other rigs to recommend?

 

Thanks a lot!


Maybe I posted this on the HD600 thread but I think it was here. In fact that is completely backward thinking. Without an adequate amp the money you spent on the HD650 is wasted because you will never hear what they are truly capable of. I have an EF2a and yes it does have plenty of power for the HD650's, it also has plenty of distortion and a pretty high noise floor, in other words you can listen to music on it just fine, but you probably won't be real impressed.

 Case in point and it is funny you posted this today, as I just connected my HD650's up to my new Lyr amp. I don't know what to say other than I feel like I just got a new and MUCH better set of headphones. I thought my Little Dot Mk3 was doing a good job. but I was way wrong. This amp is the real deal. I had NO idea the improvement would be so great. Literally night and day. So to answer your question simply, yes the EF2A will work just fine but if you ever listen to your headphones on a better amp you will be kicking yourself for not getting a good amp to begin with.

 In fact, send me a PM if you really want an EF2a and I will send you mine...free  It is just sitting in the closet now and will be pretty much forever at this point.

post #16496 of 18494
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Originally Posted by BoneEnterprise View Post
 


Other than the Speedball upgrade that I intend to to right off the bat, what other upgrades are there to do on the Crack, I assume tube rolling?


Take a look at some of the mods I have done to mine over the last few months it will give you an idea of some of the options. The bottlehead forum is full of great ideas and helpful folk if you spend a little time routing around.

 

http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php?topic=5284.msg50967#msg50967


Edited by JamieMcC - 3/28/14 at 1:00pm
post #16497 of 18494
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 


Take a look at some of the mods I have done to mine over the last few months it will give you an idea of some of the options. The bottlehead forum is full of great ideas and helpful folk if you spend a little time routing around.

 

http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php?topic=5284.msg50967#msg50967

absolutely amazing....love the carbon...it looks like a mirror! 

post #16498 of 18494
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 


Maybe I posted this on the HD600 thread but I think it was here. In fact that is completely backward thinking. Without an adequate amp the money you spent on the HD650 is wasted because you will never hear what they are truly capable of. I have an EF2a and yes it does have plenty of power for the HD650's, it also has plenty of distortion and a pretty high noise floor, in other words you can listen to music on it just fine, but you probably won't be real impressed.

 Case in point and it is funny you posted this today, as I just connected my HD650's up to my new Lyr amp. I don't know what to say other than I feel like I just got a new and MUCH better set of headphones. I thought my Little Dot Mk3 was doing a good job. but I was way wrong. This amp is the real deal. I had NO idea the improvement would be so great. Literally night and day. So to answer your question simply, yes the EF2A will work just fine but if you ever listen to your headphones on a better amp you will be kicking yourself for not getting a good amp to begin with.

 In fact, send me a PM if you really want an EF2a and I will send you mine...free  It is just sitting in the closet now and will be pretty much forever at this point.

 

 

Thanks a lot for your opinions.

 

Lyr should be a good amp. Just read the comments on Amazon, and saw some nice reviews about it. It seems you'll also need a DAC (e.g. Modi) to pair with it. But this combo might exceed my budget.

 

Compared to EF2A, do you think Modi & Magni would be a better option to start with?  


Edited by cddc - 3/28/14 at 1:52pm
post #16499 of 18494
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Originally Posted by cddc View Post
 

 

Thanks a lot for your opinions.

 

Lyr should be a good amp. Just read the comments on Amazon, and saw some nice reviews about it. It seems you'll also need a DAC (e.g. Modi) to pair with it. But this combo might exceed my budget.

 

Compared to EF2A, do you think Modi & Magni would be a better option to start with?  

I can tell you that the Magni and Modi are outstanding value.  If you upgrade down the road they make a great work or bedroom stack.

post #16500 of 18494

I made my base from hardwood....walnut. But you can get very creative. Here's mine.

 

 

Here are some others:

 

 

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