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Does anyone in here have the HD650s hooked up to a Sound Blaster ZxR? Do they make a good match? 

Do you recommend it over, let's say, the Schiit combo (Schiit Magni+Modi)?


Edited by Manel - 3/21/14 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by Manel View Post

Does anyone in here have the HD650s hooked up to a Sound Blaster ZxR? Do they make a good match? 
Do you recommend it over, let's say, the Schiit combo (Schiit Magni+Modi)?
I would go with a dedicated DAC/Amp over any sound card. I think the Vali is much more enjoyable than the Magni with the HD 650s. Plus you could upgrade your amp separately later! My suggestion would be Modi/Vali or Bottlehead Crack/Behringer UCA202 DAC if you have a little bit bigger budget and DIY skills.
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Sometimes I think even the Head-fier's on these forums don't mention in strong enough terms how very important a good amp is to the total enjoyment of headphones in general and these (HD650) phones in particular. I thought I had a pretty good amp and was getting real good sound out of my 650's. I just got a Lyr amp and I can categorically state that I couldn't have been more wrong. This amp has transformed these phones into something more than I could have expected. I didn't know what the veil was people kept mentioning, but I do now, because it is GONE! All I can say is to repeat what others have said, "Don't skimp on your amplification for these phones if you really want to hear them at full potential." I was actually beginning to think there was something lacking in my Modi dac, but the dac is fine, not fine really but great. It was all in the amp, or more specifically lack of a good amp.

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Sometimes I think even the Head-fier's on these forums don't mention in strong enough terms how very important a good amp is to the total enjoyment of headphones in general and these (HD650) phones in particular. I thought I had a pretty good amp and was getting real good sound out of my 650's. I just got a Lyr amp and I can categorically state that I couldn't have been more wrong. This amp has transformed these phones into something more than I could have expected. I didn't know what the veil was people kept mentioning, but I do now, because it is GONE! All I can say is to repeat what others have said, "Don't skimp on your amplification for these phones if you really want to hear them at full potential." I was actually beginning to think there was something lacking in my Modi dac, but the dac is fine, not fine really but great. It was all in the amp, or more specifically lack of a good amp.

Good to hear!

Well I had a few nice amplifiers to begin with, so I didn't experience that huge increase as you did for example! They allways sounded nice to me.

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Originally Posted by Manel View Post
 

Does anyone in here have the HD650s hooked up to a Sound Blaster ZxR? Do they make a good match? 

Do you recommend it over, let's say, the Schiit combo (Schiit Magni+Modi)?


I have a Zx in my PC. It sounds alright. I usually listen through an Oppo BDP-103 / Asgard 2 combo in my living room, which I do like better, but that SB series is pretty well done.

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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

Sometimes I think even the Head-fier's on these forums don't mention in strong enough terms how very important a good amp is to the total enjoyment of headphones in general and these (HD650) phones in particular. I thought I had a pretty good amp and was getting real good sound out of my 650's. I just got a Lyr amp and I can categorically state that I couldn't have been more wrong. This amp has transformed these phones into something more than I could have expected. I didn't know what the veil was people kept mentioning, but I do now, because it is GONE! All I can say is to repeat what others have said, "Don't skimp on your amplification for these phones if you really want to hear them at full potential." I was actually beginning to think there was something lacking in my Modi dac, but the dac is fine, not fine really but great. It was all in the amp, or more specifically lack of a good amp.


Yes, yes, yes! ++++++++1. The HD650s need the best amplification not to sound closed-in and woffly. IMHO

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G'day fellas. I've been a rather long time lurker on the forum, and today, I thought it'd finally be time to join.

Why? Because it's my Sennheiser HD 650's 4 years used day. And I must say, there hasn't been a day I've regretted getting them. They are just so great!

I've done the coin mod and removed the little foam pads behind the elements.

Now, I know I'll most likely get disgusted faces when I tell I've been driving these with the Asus Xonar Essence STX for the past few years, but alas, it was the best option at the time for my measly budget. 

Now, for future, I was wondering if there was some amp I should get to drive these Sennheisers or does that require budget bigger than the headphones themselves? And as I've probably gone through 3 cords during the lifespan, is there a cord I should get or just keep buying these stock cords that apparently for some reason tend to die every year or so?

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As for amp build, if you good with soldering, or buy assembled from for sale forum Bottlhead Crack. As for cable, if you not ready to spend some good money, keep buying stock but buying a good aftermarket one will save you in a long term since they last longer and you can get length you need
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As for amp build, if you good with soldering, or buy assembled from for sale forum Bottlhead Crack. As for cable, if you not ready to spend some good money, keep buying stock but buying a good aftermarket one will save you in a long term since they last longer and you can get length you need

 

 

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If you are looking for a crack try this guys.......http://www.audioasylumtrader.com/ca/listing/Amplifier-Tube/Bottlehead/Crack/with-Speedball-extras/101991

 

I don't think buying an used one would be the best idea, since I do live on the other side of the world, compared to your average user. Shipping costs across the sea are insane, unless you have a bulk deal for such.

 

So cables, check.

As for the amp/dac, could my Xonar be used still as a dac if I'd get, let's say a Schiit amp?

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post

As for amp build, if you good with soldering, or buy assembled from for sale forum Bottlhead Crack. As for cable, if you not ready to spend some good money, keep buying stock but buying a good aftermarket one will save you in a long term since they last longer and you can get length you need

 

 

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If you are looking for a crack try this guys...

 

Alright, so no new cable - check.

 

As for buying an used one, it might be a bit too pricey, since I assume most of them are across the sea and the shipping isn't cheap, unless you've made some sort of a bulk deal.

Would it make any sense to use something like Schiit with my Xonar, or should I just get dac as well?

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post

As for amp build, if you good with soldering, or buy assembled from for sale forum Bottlhead Crack. As for cable, if you not ready to spend some good money, keep buying stock but buying a good aftermarket one will save you in a long term since they last longer and you can get length you need

 

 

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Originally Posted by connieflyer View Post
 

If you are looking for a crack try this guys...

 

Alright, so no new cable - check.

 

As for buying an used one, it might be a bit too pricey, since I assume most of them are across the sea and the shipping isn't cheap, unless you've made some sort of a bulk deal.

Would it make any sense to use something like Schiit with my Xonar, or should I just get dac as well?

I would upgrade Dac too. If you want Shiit amp go with Lyr
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Amp first, DAC later. As far as I know the HD650 benefits more from a better amp, but feel free to do both if your budget allows.

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Originally Posted by Bloopsy View Post
 

 "I was wondering if there was some amp I should get to drive these Sennheisers or does that require budget bigger than the headphones themselves? And as I've probably gone through 3 cords during the lifespan, is there a cord I should get or just keep buying these stock cords that apparently for some reason tend to die every year or so?"

 

You really will find you benefit by going for a better amp rather than going down the cable route.

You amp is the window through which you view your source it really does not matter how much you spend on a cable it can not improve on poor amplification only mask the inadequacies.  Cables would be one of the very last things I would consider changing. Get a decent amp like a Crack and you wont need aftermarket cable if you still feel the urge consider spending the money on upgrading your Crack instead and you will be surprised by how good it can get for less than the price of a half decent aftermarket cable.

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Originally Posted by Transformatron View Post


I would go with a dedicated DAC/Amp over any sound card. I think the Vali is much more enjoyable than the Magni with the HD 650s. Plus you could upgrade your amp separately later! My suggestion would be Modi/Vali or Bottlehead Crack/Behringer UCA202 DAC if you have a little bit bigger budget and DIY skills.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Auldian View Post
 


I have a Zx in my PC. It sounds alright. I usually listen through an Oppo BDP-103 / Asgard 2 combo in my living room, which I do like better, but that SB series is pretty well done.

 

The question is I'll be doing gaming with the HD650s too, and the Sound Blaster emulates 5.1 surround sound and has a good EQ software. If I go with an external DAC/Amp now, I'll lose those features. Aren't the Burr-Brown DACs in the ZxR technically better than the Modi?

 

What if I go with the sound card now and get the Vali later for extra amplification? I'm assuming the TI TP6120A2 amp chip in the card is the weakest link in the chain. 


Edited by Manel - 3/22/14 at 1:02pm
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