Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Sennheiser HD650 Impressions Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Sennheiser HD650 Impressions Thread - Page 1090

post #16336 of 21412
You should also consider DacMagic Plus
post #16337 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

There is a bottlehead dac due out imminently I believe. There is some good buzz about it. Right now, the bifrost uber is outstanding for anything less than $1k. On the low end, the odac is a good dac and pairs well. 

 

Some have said that they were underwhelmed when they bought a bifrost uber as an upgrade to the ODAC. This DAC business will always be in my *always sceptical* list. I've heard that using a USB isolator would bring down the ODAC's harshness on the highs, which will be the next endeavour (eyeing the doodlebug project).

 

I'll be another one using the ODAC with the Crack.

post #16338 of 21412
The bifrost with uber will scale cans that have the ability to do so. The 650 scales well.
post #16339 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The bifrost with uber will scale cans that have the ability to do so. The 650 scales well.

 

Though I think that DAC's would be less of a concern in terms of audible improvement: there's only so much of 32 bit 192khz conversion which can be done, and so much output circuitry one can do.

 

I have read from from a review that the bifrost with uber was more resolving than the ODAC, with the 650s, but wasn't the improvement they'd expect for the difference in price.

 

Some even have said that in terms of neutrality, there's no benefit in upgrading to the benchmark DAC1 from the ODAC.

 

I would totally spend the money to see if these claims are rightfully so, but alas I have no funds. With the general consensus that the DAC reaches diminishing returns much earlier, this becomes the reason why I am very much interested in the Crack as the next pairing to my HD650's.

post #16340 of 21412

Sennheiser is having a nice little rebate:

 

http://en-us.sennheiser.com/news-attention-music-lovers-and-content-creators-sennheiser-announces-spring-rebate-on-select-headphones-microphones-and-wireless-systems

 

You can get $50 rebate for HD650. If you get it with a deal like razordogaudio, then you are essentially looking at a $350 for a pair of brand new HD650's :basshead: 

post #16341 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by JacobLee89 View Post
 

 

Though I think that DAC's would be less of a concern in terms of audible improvement: there's only so much of 32 bit 192khz conversion which can be done, and so much output circuitry one can do.

 

I have read from from a review that the bifrost with uber was more resolving than the ODAC, with the 650s, but wasn't the improvement they'd expect for the difference in price.

 

Some even have said that in terms of neutrality, there's no benefit in upgrading to the benchmark DAC1 from the ODAC.

 

I would totally spend the money to see if these claims are rightfully so, but alas I have no funds. With the general consensus that the DAC reaches diminishing returns much earlier, this becomes the reason why I am very much interested in the Crack as the next pairing to my HD650's.


I have also read several articles stating that all dacs will sound the same providing they are operating within their design parameters no matter what the cost (or lack of cost). I don't happen to believe that but those articles wouldn't exist unless some people did.

post #16342 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjoh242 View Post

well, I am now following this thread as I will be ordering my HD650's here shortly, but I do have a question and have only gotten through 1/3 of the thread so far so please be nice.

I am thinking about getting one of these amps;
tubemaster
Little Dot mkiv
Schiit Vali

now this is based off what I have researched so far...

Should I get the matching Mav Audio DAC for the tubemaster, the Modi for the Vali or ? for the Little Dot mkiv


Your help, direction and feedback is appreciated in advance!!!
I'm not somebody to suggest tripling your budget. I use the Modi/Vali with my HD 600/650s and they have good synergy. I've heard the Magni also but it wasn't as musical as the Vali. I would get those now and get a Bottlehead Crack later for your upgradeitis.
post #16343 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by JacobLee89 View Post
 

 

Though I think that DAC's would be less of a concern in terms of audible improvement: there's only so much of 32 bit 192khz conversion which can be done, and so much output circuitry one can do.

 

I have read from from a review that the bifrost with uber was more resolving than the ODAC, with the 650s, but wasn't the improvement they'd expect for the difference in price.

 

Some even have said that in terms of neutrality, there's no benefit in upgrading to the benchmark DAC1 from the ODAC.

 

I would totally spend the money to see if these claims are rightfully so, but alas I have no funds. With the general consensus that the DAC reaches diminishing returns much earlier, this becomes the reason why I am very much interested in the Crack as the next pairing to my HD650's.

 

Keep in mind, you are talking about the DAC part of the chain.  Most think it has less importance, then let say the amp.  Many here will suggest, to budget minded folks, to spend your funds on the best amp possible, then look for a DAC upgrade later.  I'm one of those believers...

 

I tend to rate importance:

 

Source -> Headphones -> Amp -> DAC -> cables/interconnects

 

I know audio is more complicated then this chain (which I'm sure others would argue), but it helps me temper my expectations when I get an itch to upgrade.

post #16344 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post

Keep in mind, you are talking about the DAC part of the chain.  Most think it has less importance, then let say the amp.  Many here will suggest, to budget minded folks, to spend your funds on the best amp possible, then look for a DAC upgrade later.  I'm one of those believers...

I tend to rate importance:

Source -> Headphones -> Amp -> DAC -> cables/interconnects

I know audio is more complicated then this chain (which I'm sure others would argue), but it helps me temper my expectations when I get an itch to upgrade.
A good dac do increase the sound alot tho.
post #16345 of 21412

I am a long time user of Sennheiser HD series headphones. I was happy with the HD 650 attached to a RME Babyface dac. Last weekend I built the Bottlehead Crack amp with Speedball upgrade. The first time I listened to it, I was blown away. The sound is incredibly lucious, spatious and detailed. This combination is by far the best I have ever heard.

 

 

 

http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php/topic,5898.0.html

post #16346 of 21412

Looks great Tom!! Once you've heard the crack and hd6x0...it's hard to go back to anything else. 

post #16347 of 21412

Matt has your Crack arrived yet?

post #16348 of 21412

Damn, I really need to hear a Bottlehead Crack!!!!!

post #16349 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

Matt has your Crack arrived yet?

 

On truck for delivery. f5 is no longer is play. 

post #16350 of 21412
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom1510 View Post
 

I am a long time user of Sennheiser HD series headphones. I was happy with the HD 650 attached to a RME Babyface dac. Last weekend I built the Bottlehead Crack amp with Speedball upgrade. The first time I listened to it, I was blown away. The sound is incredibly lucious, spatious and detailed. This combination is by far the best I have ever heard.

 

 

 

http://bottlehead.com/smf/index.php/topic,5898.0.html

Tom,  Have you built amps or other electronics B-4 ??,  Also can you elaborate on what other amps you have tried with the Hd-650.  I have a couple tube amps and truthfully they are both excellent amps IMHO, (the Schiit Valhalla, and the Ampsandsound SE84).  I hear so much about the crack pairing with the 650 I am very tempted to buy a kit

 

What attributes in the music do you feel you gained with the crack ??

 

My current set up is laptop playing lossless WAV or AIFF files, to Uberfrost, to SE84, to HD-650

 

I see so much about veiled etc... and I honestly dont get that at all, (I did before hooking up an amp) I feel like a tad more bass might be warranted depending on music playing but otherwise pretty happy with the set-up:L3000:

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Sennheiser HD650 Impressions Thread