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Just received my 650's yesterday and have been burning them in-listening throughout.  I don't have a whole lot of experience with hp's with the exception of the 325is, but I have to say I don't think my Grados are gonna be getting much use for awhile.  The Sennheisers are so seductive.  They exhibit none of the fatigue I get from listening to the 325s on certain recordings.  The bass is more visceral as well.  I don't mean sub-woofer bass, but definitely more "punch" then the grados.

 

I have been contemplating a tube amp lately and I think now that I have these I may go in that direction.  Anyone able to let me in on the sonic advantages of say a woo6 as compared to a matrix m-stage or any ss/ tube comparison?

 

Thanks.


Edited by Balmoral - 9/16/10 at 7:45pm
post #1622 of 36836
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Originally Posted by Balmoral View Post

Just received my 650's yesterday and have been burning them in-listening throughout.  I don't have a whole lot of experience with hp's with the exception of the 325is, but I have to say I don't think my Grados are gonna be getting much use for awhile.  The Sennheisers are so seductive.  They exhibit none of the fatigue I get from listening to the 325s on certain recordings.  The bass is more visceral as well.  I don't mean sub-woofer bass, but definitely more "punch" then the grados.

 

I have been contemplating a tube amp lately and I think now that I have these I may go in that direction.  Anyone able to let me in on the sonic advantages of say a woo6 as compared to a matrix m-stage or any ss/ tube comparison?

 

Thanks.


People here do not seem to realise, when listening fatigue sets in...it's your bodies method of telling you - it's taken all it can handle...further exposure will do permanent damage.  There's a reason cans with the signature like HD650's allows your body to let you listen to it for louder and for longer.

 

Think I'm making this up?

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People here do not seem to realise, when listening fatigue sets in...it's your bodies method of telling you - it's taken all it can handle...further exposure will do permanent damage.  There's a reason cans with the signature like HD650's allows your body to let you listen to it for louder and for longer.

 

Think I'm making this up?

 

I didn't know this.  I kinda figured it was just the nature of the beast to be honest...and nope, I don't think you're making it up.

post #1624 of 36836

the grado sr60 and the alessandro ms2i, despite sounding very detailed for their price, gave me listening fatigue within 4 hours. the sennheiser hd650 (also the beyer dt880 and the dt990) do not give me this, allowing me to listen to the music indefinitely 

 

and the vocals do sound very seductive on the hd650 

 

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Originally Posted by Balmoral View Post

Just received my 650's yesterday and have been burning them in-listening throughout.  I don't have a whole lot of experience with hp's with the exception of the 325is, but I have to say I don't think my Grados are gonna be getting much use for awhile.  The Sennheisers are so seductive.  They exhibit none of the fatigue I get from listening to the 325s on certain recordings.  The bass is more visceral as well.  I don't mean sub-woofer bass, but definitely more "punch" then the grados.

 

I have been contemplating a tube amp lately and I think now that I have these I may go in that direction.  Anyone able to let me in on the sonic advantages of say a woo6 as compared to a matrix m-stage or any ss/ tube comparison?

 

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by maruzen View Post

 

and the vocals do sound very seductive on the hd650 

 


Very seductive. It's as if you have Elton John practically sitting right there on your lap with you.

 

*the stampede of people running to order themselves a pair*

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

tube amp. 

 

Yep, HD650 LOVES tubes. 

 

I thought GS Solo Ultra Linear (GS latest flagship amp) was very nice when I tried in the local store this evening, much improve from Solo SRG I I used to have, much cleaner, more detail and less warm, but when A/B with Rudistor RP3-d, that's it!!, tube wins again (for me) at least for HD650. 

 

The vocal is very 3 dimensional, separated from the instruments nicely, so ... human.  The treble has more 'body', more 'complete' and not just sizzle.


Edited by RedBull - 9/17/10 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post

 

Yep, HD650 LOVES tubes. 

 

I thought GS Solo Ultra Linear (GS latest flagship amp) was very nice when I tried in the local store this evening, much improve from Solo SRG I I used to have, much cleaner, more detail and less warm, but when A/B with Rudistor RP3-d, that's it!!, tube wins again (for me) at least for HD650. 

 

The vocal is very 3 dimensional, separated from the instruments nicely, so ... human.  The treble has more 'body', more 'complete' and not just sizzle.

 

I find with HD650 and solid state amps...sometimes you can just detect a touch of graininess in the treble.  Tube amps can completely eradicate this - with every other benefit you could think of.  Good tube amps are quick enough to not penalise the HD650s transient the slightest.
 

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

 

People here do not seem to realise, when listening fatigue sets in...it's your bodies method of telling you - it's taken all it can handle...further exposure will do permanent damage.  There's a reason cans with the signature like HD650's allows your body to let you listen to it for louder and for longer.

 

Think I'm making this up?


No man, no ... to me, fatigue means we get too much of certain frequency which also means the system we have doesn't have balance frequency spectrum.  To me (we all hear differently), UE700 give me headache with excessive treble, Grado SR-60 for its excessive upper midrange, HD650 (with 'wrong' amp) give fatigue either too much 'warmth' or upper midrange frequency for vocal.
 

 

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Originally Posted by kingtz View Post

 

Very seductive. It's as if you have Elton John practically sitting right there on your lap with you.

 

Yes, very seductive, but I don't want Elton John to sit on my lap, I don't mind Jessica Alba tho 

post #1629 of 36836
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

I find with HD650 and solid state amps...sometimes you can just detect a touch of graininess in the treble.  Tube amps can completely eradicate this - with every other benefit you could think of.  Good tube amps are quick enough to not penalise the HD650s transient the slightest.
 


Very agree, that's one of the reason I sell my Solo SRG I other than too much warmth, but do you hear treble graininess on BCL? not that I can remember tho.  Hey we have similiar ear eh?

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Originally Posted by RedBull View Post


Very agree, that's one of the reason I sell my Solo SRG I other than too much warmth, but do you hear treble graininess on BCL? not that I can remember tho.  Hey we have similiar ear eh?


Yes with the SS BCL....I can detect traces of graininess not just in the treble although more perceivable at the treble.  This "edginess" "graininess" extends throught the upper midrange and lessens as the the frequency goes lower.  My amp is not the cause...because it's clearly not there with any of my orthodynamics - or the D7000.  A good tube amp will eradicate this effect.  I don't think the full potential of the HD650s can be realised by solid state - IMO.

post #1631 of 36836

Well I'm going to reply to myself as an update. I received the HD-650's three days ago and have been burning them in ever since. I'm very, very happy with them and have been plowing through my music library, with visits to Radio Paradise every since. All I can say is that the balanced sound really works for me and I don't find the sound too polite. It even plays "explicit" music in my iTunes music with authority ;) I've got to tweak these with some Cardas, Moon, or Zu cables soon and bring them to the next level. I've got an old Zu Mobius cable in the bin box, but don't dare use them on the HD-650's as they screwed up my previously owned HD-600's and HD-650's (took a trip to Senneiser for a fix). The pins have changed, so I'm not going to chance it even though I enjoyed the old Zu's while they worked.

 

Anyway, it has been a great homecoming and I'm sorry I strayed. Lots of head bobbing going on here!

post #1632 of 36836

Burn-in doesn't seem to affect these cans at all. The treble I complained about before remains the same. I think I'm going to just bear with it since when A/B:ing the K701's sound so dead in comparison. They're not nearly as fun to listen to.

post #1633 of 36836

I started to love mine. Ofcourse they nowhere near my K1000's, but for this money there really is no better than the HD-650. They truly shine on my Phonitor.

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Originally Posted by vvanrij View Post

I started to love mine. Ofcourse they nowhere near my K1000's, but for this money there really is no better than the HD-650. They truly shine on my Phonitor.


Oh, you have the phonitor!

 

At the moment my dream amp!

post #1635 of 36836

I'm liking how versatile these cans are. I can play albums that sounded unbearable on the K701 due to their mixing/mastering and just appreciate the music instead of worrying about the sound.

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