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post #16126 of 19536
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Originally Posted by bleudeciel16 View Post
 


fair enough.  I did plan on keeping the 650's for life.  they're too comfy to get rid of.

 

are there any headphones that are the go-to headphones for electronic music?

 

he400 for $299 NIB. I've not heard any better. 

post #16127 of 19536
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Originally Posted by bleudeciel16 View Post
 


fair enough.  I did plan on keeping the 650's for life.  they're too comfy to get rid of.

 

are there any headphones that are the go-to headphones for electronic music?

 

Don't know what your budget is looking like, but I had the HE-400 for a while that I used exclusively for electronic and jazz until I got the HD 700 after the price drop. After that, the HE-400 immediately went up for sale. The HD 700 bass blows it out of the water IMO, digs deeper with more punch and also very detailed. Smooth treble without the tizz and crazy spike of the HE-400. It only just lacks the HE-400 soundstage. But the bass response, energy, detail and insane comfort more than make up for it. At $300 the HE-400 is huge bang for the buck for sure, but there is much greatness elsewhere. LCD-2 was nice with electronic, but comfort was an issue for me.

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Originally Posted by dxanex View Post
 

 

Don't know what your budget is looking like, but I had the HE-400 for a while that I used exclusively for electronic and jazz until I got the HD 700 after the price drop. After that, the HE-400 immediately went up for sale. The HD 700 bass blows it out of the water IMO, digs deeper with more punch and also very detailed. Smooth treble without the tizz and crazy spike of the HE-400. It only just lacks the HE-400 soundstage. But the bass response, energy, detail and insane comfort more than make up for it. At $300 the HE-400 is huge bang for the buck for sure, but there is much greatness elsewhere. LCD-2 was nice with electronic, but comfort was an issue for me.

 

We will have to disagree here. Take what you said about the hd700 vs the he400 and reverse it. I wonder if you didn't type that backwards by mistake. The bass on the he400 is the crown jewel of that hp and to my ears is several leagues above the the he700.  I found the hd700 harsh, strident and overall unpleasant to listen to. And yes I listened to it on some very good amps. 

 

The he400 bass is some of the best audiophile quality bass in the game and at $300 you won't even get close with anything else. 

post #16129 of 19536
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We will have to disagree here. Take what you said about the hd700 vs the he400 and reverse it. I wonder if you didn't type that backwards by mistake. The bass on the he400 is the crown jewel of that hp and to my ears is several leagues above the the he700.  I found the hd700 harsh, strident and overall unpleasant to listen to. And yes I listened to it on some very good amps. 

 

The he400 bass is some of the best audiophile quality bass in the game and at $300 you won't even get close with anything else. 

 

What amp did you listen to the HD 700 on? They tend to be polarizing around here, but I also think they are pretty source/amp dependent. Maybe on a brighter amp like the Magni it could sound somewhat harsh. But after 50 some hours of use now, even on the BH Crack (which I find tames the HD 700 a bit too much) is clearly more enjoyable to my ears than the HE-400 including the bass. I find its a perfect balance of detail and musicality. Electronic music especially. My opinion, of course. HE-400 is a fine headphone for the money even with it's sometimes wonky treble. I was only sharing my observations. The HE-400i may change my mind.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

We will have to disagree here. Take what you said about the hd700 vs the he400 and reverse it. I wonder if you didn't type that backwards by mistake. The bass on the he400 is the crown jewel of that hp and to my ears is several leagues above the the he700.  I found the hd700 harsh, strident and overall unpleasant to listen to. And yes I listened to it on some very good amps. 

 

The he400 bass is some of the best audiophile quality bass in the game and at $300 you won't even get close with anything else. 


I haven't heard the HE-400, but if it's anything like it's sibling the HE-500 then I must totally agree with Matt about the HD700. It is IMO the most coloured HP in the Sennheiser HD 500+ lineup.

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The HE-400 and the HE-500 actually sound quite different from one another. Nobody here is arguing that the HD 700 isn't colored. I don't listen to it when I want neutrality. But for a genre like electronic music, (which I was referring to) I often prefer a more colored and fun sound, which the HD 700 provides in spades on the right setup. Like I said, HE-400 isn't bad at all...I just preferred the HD 700 much more. I'm ok with being the minority! :tongue:

 

Anyway seeing as this is the HD 650 appreciation thread I'll stop there. :o

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I got some more FLACs to listen to last night and really enjoyed my 650's.  Bass isn't terrible with a touch of EQ adjustment, but not where I'd like it for electronic music.  Sounds incredible for everything else though.  The soundstage is what really gets me.

 

Speaking of soundstage, it seems to be the weakpoint of ortho headphones.  Are there any that still have decent soundstage?  Or is that just a weakness of that design that you can't get around?

post #16133 of 19536

I love how these balanced through a speaker amp can stay on the same level as my HE-6

post #16134 of 19536
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Originally Posted by bleudeciel16 View Post

Speaking of soundstage, it seems to be the weakpoint of ortho headphones.  Are there any that still have decent soundstage?  Or is that just a weakness of that design that you can't get around?


I couldn't tell you for sure, but it seems that soundstage just hasn't been a big priority for ortho manufacturers yet. Maybe the new open Fostex and Oppo will change that.

post #16135 of 19536
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Originally Posted by bleudeciel16 View Post
 

I got some more FLACs to listen to last night and really enjoyed my 650's.  Bass isn't terrible with a touch of EQ adjustment, but not where I'd like it for electronic music.  Sounds incredible for everything else though.  The soundstage is what really gets me.

 

Speaking of soundstage, it seems to be the weakpoint of ortho headphones.  Are there any that still have decent soundstage?  Or is that just a weakness of that design that you can't get around?


I'm no expert by any means but recently (meaning just a couple of weeks ago) got the HE-400's and a pair of HD650's. The soundstage of the 400 I find missing. I still think there is a lot of confusion by what people mean when they say sound stage. I describe it this way, there is width and depth for me and WHERE the vocals seem to originate from.

 

The 650 the vocals are centered at my forehead and a little in front of me. This is a nice stage and there is lots of texture across instruments depth and width wise in the midrange, which is what I'm partial to. It IS very euphoric, like you are sailing on waves of music.

 

The HE-400, the vocals seem to originate at the tip of my nose. It feels very different like the vocals are coming our of YOUR head rather than at you. It is a more intimate sounding headphone. There is still a lot of width but not so much depth in the midrange, because they are midrange deficient. What I can hear on the 400's though is beautiful sounding..bass, treble a little peaky but it doesn't bother me. What's strange is that I find I miss details on the 400 in the midrange that I pick up on the 650's YET at the same time the 400's sound more crystal clear with vocal lyrics more easily heard. I still can't figure out how this seems to happen? Also with the 400's there are at moments absolutely stunning realism in vocals. It's not consistent though.

 

I don't think I can part with either pair right now. Also bought an Asgard 2 with them and am very happy with that as well. Weirdly I'm also happy with my Fiio X3 with both sets of headphones as well.

post #16136 of 19536
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I love how these balanced through a speaker amp can stay on the same level as my HE-6

Wait you have them directly connected to the speaker inputs like on a receiver?

post #16137 of 19536
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I'm no expert by any means but recently (meaning just a couple of weeks ago) got the HE-400's and a pair of HD650's. The soundstage of the 400 I find missing. I still think there is a lot of confusion by what people mean when they say sound stage. I describe it this way, there is width and depth for me and WHERE the vocals seem to originate from.

 

The 650 the vocals are centered at my forehead and a little in front of me. This is a nice stage and there is lots of texture across instruments depth and width wise in the midrange, which is what I'm partial to. It IS very euphoric, like you are sailing on waves of music.

 

The HE-400, the vocals seem to originate at the tip of my nose. It feels very different like the vocals are coming our of YOUR head rather than at you. It is a more intimate sounding headphone. There is still a lot of width but not so much depth in the midrange, because they are midrange deficient. What I can hear on the 400's though is beautiful sounding..bass, treble a little peaky but it doesn't bother me. What's strange is that I find I miss details on the 400 in the midrange that I pick up on the 650's YET at the same time the 400's sound more crystal clear with vocal lyrics more easily heard. I still can't figure out how this seems to happen? Also with the 400's there are at moments absolutely stunning realism in vocals. It's not consistent though.

 

I don't think I can part with either pair right now. Also bought an Asgard 2 with them and am very happy with that as well. Weirdly I'm also happy with my Fiio X3 with both sets of headphones as well.

 

for $300, it sounds like the he-400's are worth getting.  sounds like they'd be better for gaming and electronic music too.  and I'd bet my schiit lyr is more than capable of driving orthos

post #16138 of 19536

Hmm now I'm pondering the thought of getting a Lyr next...

post #16139 of 19536
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Originally Posted by Byrnie View Post
 

Hmm now I'm pondering the thought of getting a Lyr next...

Happy 650th post!

post #16140 of 19536
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Originally Posted by TsukiNick View Post
 

Wait you have them directly connected to the speaker inputs like on a receiver?

Yup - the 4 pin xlr gives each channel a ground so after that I just have an XLR to speaker taps adapter and hook them up via spades. 

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