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post #16096 of 18294
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

There is a veil. :blink:

I'm referring to the old drivers with the black silk screen. Apparently because it was difficult to achieve consistency with the fabric's tension, they updated it with a metal mesh in 2007. The headphones pre-2007 that were made slightly off the quality control mark may or may not be those that made the "Sennheiser veil" myth.

 

However, some have said that it was just a colour change, because white fabric was cheaper to source. Maybe whatever material it was, just had better properties than of the black silk. Hard to say unless I get to see the updated drivers myself.

 

Hence is why I mentioned the "burn-in" time: if it has been playing since 2007, then most likely the veil has loosened by a margin.

 

Then again we could be talking about the mythical flying pig, and the Bermuda triangle teleporting planes around.

post #16097 of 18294
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Originally Posted by JacobLee89 View Post
 

I'm referring to the old drivers with the black silk screen. Apparently because it was difficult to achieve consistency with the fabric's tension, they updated it with a metal mesh in 2007. The headphones pre-2007 that were made slightly off the quality control mark may or may not be those that made the "Sennheiser veil" myth.

 

However, some have said that it was just a colour change, because white fabric was cheaper to source. Maybe whatever material it was, just had better properties than of the black silk. Hard to say unless I get to see the updated drivers myself.

 

Hence is why I mentioned the "burn-in" time: if it has been playing since 2007, then most likely the veil has loosened by a margin.

 

Then again we could be talking about the mythical flying pig, and the Bermuda triangle teleporting planes around.

 

You're missing my dry sense of humor, that is often lost through typing instead of speaking accompanied by my hilarioius facial expressions. :D

post #16098 of 18294
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

You're missing my dry sense of humor, that is often lost through typing instead of speaking accompanied by my hilarioius facial expressions. :D

 

Sorry, I should have known those pigs were flying behind our backs!

post #16099 of 18294

In all seriousness i inquired about the white vs black cloth differences and had a few people who have tried/owned both say there was no difference.   I have the black versions from ~2001 hence i asked, conclusion was its not worth changing.

post #16100 of 18294
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Originally Posted by mcandmar View Post
 

In all seriousness i inquired about the white vs black cloth differences and had a few people who have tried/owned both say there was no difference.   I have the black versions from ~2001 hence i asked, conclusion was its not worth changing.

 

The only thing I am not comfortable with my second hand HD650's are the worn ear pads. Funny how they cost almost the same as the driver capsules. Washing them did give some spring back though.

post #16101 of 18294

Washing does help. I wash mine two or three times a year. I got a replacement set in the drawer ready and waiting. I think that they were about $40 from B&H Photo. 

post #16102 of 18294
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Around 100-150 is good. 


Thanks.....they are sounding very well indeed....seller said they had around 40 hours on them.........There is some serious synergy going on with the MAD Ear....I am pretty dang happy at this point  :tongue_smile: 

post #16103 of 18294

are HD650 a big improvement over K701?

post #16104 of 18294

^ I personally prefer bass port modded Q701 over HD650. HD650 have too much lower-mids, too little lower-bass and everything sounds a bit too "close".

post #16105 of 18294
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Originally Posted by voidandnull View Post
 

are HD650 a big improvement over K701?

 

To my ears, and subject to your amplification, yes.  K701's are very thin sounding by comparison but do have wider sound stage than the hd650's.  By contrast, and as opposed to K701's, hd650's have a rich and realistic timbre, a very coherent but not compressed presentation, and a solid enjoyable bottom end.  

 

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Originally Posted by eimis View Post
 

^ I personally prefer bass port modded Q701 over HD650. HD650 have too much lower-mids, too little lower-bass and everything sounds a bit too "close".

 

FWIW, I'm not familiar with the Q701, with or without mods, but I would be inclined to think that your view of the hd650's may derive in substantial part from your amp.  I'm not an O2 hater by any means.  Notwithstanding that I have a mainline and crack in the house, I listen to mine almost daily with my alpha dogs and plan to give the booster board a shot after finishing my wire se-se, but it is simply a bad match for hd650's, at least to my ears.    

post #16106 of 18294
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
 

 

Hi Jeff - the hd650's are very nice all-arounders as long as you're not looking for the last word in treble sparkle.  If you can conclude anything from the >1,000 pages of this thread (and the even longer predecessor hd650 thread), it is that a whole lot of us really enjoy these phones and continue enjoying them regularly even after investing in costlier flagships.

 

One word of caution in response to your post - I would research very carefully before choosing to invest your funds in a rsa dark star.  You can purchase the boards and build a very similar amp for a few hundred dollars (see http://www.head-fi.org/t/654371/eddie-current-diy-amplifier-monolith ), and many of the electrical engineers on these boards seem to agree that the dark star design just isn't that great to begin with (one, for example, describing it as: "Thousands of dollars for a gainclone in a fancy box with dodgy anodizing").  There are a lot of great flagship amps out there.  My sense, for whatever its worth, is that this just isn't one of them.  

Thanks, skeptic.  That sounds like good advice that I will heed when the time comes for the amplifier upgrade.

post #16107 of 18294

I'm looking for a headphone with a seductive midrange and controlled highs.  I already have a LCD-3 and it fits the bill.  Would the HD-650 also fit the bill.  How is it different than the LCD-3?

 

Which is more euphonic?

post #16108 of 18294

I don't think that it's a fair fight to compare hp's that 5x as much. 

post #16109 of 18294
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post

 

FWIW, I'm not familiar with the Q701, with or without mods, but I would be inclined to think that your view of the hd650's may derive in substantial part from your amp.  I'm not an O2 hater by any means.  Notwithstanding that I have a mainline and crack in the house, I listen to mine almost daily with my alpha dogs and plan to give the booster board a shot after finishing my wire se-se, but it is simply a bad match for hd650's, at least to my ears.    

I wouldn't say that with the booster board, the O2 would be a completely different amp, but just into one that is more "musically" capable. I may be inclined to say that it'll move from being a bad match. into a "reasonable" match (for the HD650s). Of course, my reasonings for the booster board is mainly due to me already having an O2, and that I'd have to spend over $300 ish for an alternative that may or may not give an audible improvement. I play this game real safe ;)

 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I don't think that it's a fair fight to compare hp's that 5x as much. 

At best you could probably compare it to Audio Technica AD1000x or AD2000x, which is near enough the HD650's price range, but that's a different sound signature altogether.

post #16110 of 18294
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Originally Posted by rsbrsvp View Post

I'm looking for a headphone with a seductive midrange and controlled highs.  I already have a LCD-3 and it fits the bill.  Would the HD-650 also fit the bill.  How is it different than the LCD-3?

Which is more euphonic?
I think you should rather look at hifiman or something else, since I don't think there is a greater difference between hd650 and lcd-3 except lcd is a bit better. Hd 650 is an awesome phone tho for it's price but kinda ticks the same boxes imo smily_headphones1.gif
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