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post #1591 of 38362

^^^

 

Honestly, I'd say hang tight.  Give it a few more days.  When I first got mine I was feeling about like you are.  I don't know if it was burn-in or what but within a week I was thrilled. Still am.  More and more each day, really.  I've got several cans that are in the same class and these are easily my favorites.

 

Good luck. I hope you end up enjoying yours as much as I do mine.

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What doesn't suit your tastes in the sound you're hearing from the 650s ?

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jchandler3: I think they require quite a bit more burn in than 10 hours. I think 50-100 or maybe even more. It's also worth noting that the 650 is far from being universally loved here on headfi. I love mine, but you may end up falling in the group that prefers something else. I would definitely give them a few more DAYS of burn in time before forming an opinion.
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Thanks for the replies. I'll do a few things... For one, I'll allow them to burn in a lot more. But I'll spend some time with them this evening and try to describe what's bothering me. Who knows, maybe it'll vanish as I listen. 

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It depends also on the headphones your ears were used to: I used to own a K702, and switching between them and the HD650 was traumatic!

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It depends also on the headphones your ears were used to: I used to own a K702, and switching between them and the HD650 was traumatic!


Yea, that's a great point. I think it's very possible that the D2000's over-exaggerated bass and forward-sounding everything has trained my ear for something south of neutral. I'll give it time.

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Yea, that's a great point. I think it's very possible that the D2000's over-exaggerated bass and forward-sounding everything has trained my ear for something south of neutral. I'll give it time.


I do feel that you're on the right track here.  If you find that it's sounding better, I'd more attest that to your adaptation to its sound rather than burn-in.  So I'd encourage more time with them before making a decision.  You need more time to see if you grow to like them or if you continue to feel the same way about them or grow to dislike them even more.

 

Not everyone will consider a particular can to be to their liking and the D2000 sound is a lot different anyway.  The HD650's offer a more neutral sound with less bass impact.

 

I've been through quite a few different approaches to sound with various cans and find the HD650's approach to be one of the better ones.   The Denon sound, I found to be exciting at first, but not a keeper for me.

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I can't give such a recommendation RedBull.  I can only share my experience with the Mustang when compared with small form factor and cheaper non-portables and also when using no amp at all.  I was sorely disappointed with the Mustang considering what it brought to the listening experience for the money.  Definitely more volume, but not much else.

 

I no longer use my P-51 Mustang even with my portable cans (IE8, W3, ATH-ESW9A's or SE530's), and will likely sell it as well for a give away price.  I suspect it has the same influence as an expensive cable, but I have no proof, so take the claim as is given, i.e., as a mere suspicion.

 

I've never thought of the HD650's as a portable can and never explored it as such.  I just plugged it in the P-51 as a brief experiment out of curiosity.  I never tried the HD650's with any other portable amp so can't give an opinion either way.

 

Yeah, agree, HD650 is quite a demanding phone, it love tube amp for sure.  I'm quite curious as well if there's any portable can drive HD650, that will be GREAT! so I can bring around and doesn't have to be stuck beside a desktop amp.  I love my Mustang tho, I use it with SE530.
 

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I feel like a broken record, and I apologize if I'm actually being one. These threads have many repeated comments and as they grow it becomes less and less realistic for newcomers to peruse all comments.

 

I'm using the (portable) Headstage Arrow HE12 with the HD650s and it drives them with ease. It's an extremely versatile, powerfull (up to 12v output with the variable voltage sensor) and small amp. $260 USD won't hurt as badly as others. And with three-position gain and impedance switches, you can dial it in with 32 Ohm to 300 Ohm phones. There are so many smart features I won't list them all. Read this review by dfkt at ABI.


Thanks for the recommendation, I will surely read the review.

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My new 650s are definitely growing on me. Burn in is definitely helping quite a bit. At this point I maybe have around 100 hours on them? The low end is showing up and things are just meshing. Good stuff. 

 

I'm also thinking of getting the Desktop PS for my HR Desktop amp / DAC. Should help out quite a bit with the voltage swing and such.

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I keep trying to EQ my HD650 thinking that they can sound better.

 

I try to EQ down the the upper frequency resonance peaks caused by my ears -- no they end up sounding boring.

 

I try to boost the upper frequency and dropped down the mid to upper bass hump to add overall clarity and speed -- no it draws me away from the music and causes fatigue.

 

I always come back to the original sound.  I just like that cozy your-in-the-music sound of these headphones. 

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Yea, that's a great point. I think it's very possible that the D2000's over-exaggerated bass and forward-sounding everything has trained my ear for something south of neutral. I'll give it time.



I think that's extremely likely. I thought I'd compare a pair of D2000s to my 650s (thanks, Ebay) and found them exaggerated in the treble. I can understand that people like them as there's a nice purity to the sound, but why do manufacturers insist on tilting up the treble? Live music just isn't bright like that--and headphones give an unnaturally close and live sound anyway. Compare phones like the ATs, Grados and DT880 to a quality speaker system like a Quad electrostatic on the same CD and see how much brighter they are. The 650 by comparison is extremely neutral.

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So I got my pair of HD 650's and they sound nothing like I've been reading all these years. They do, however, sound how people are describing the "upgraded" version of the phones that supposedly came in around end of 2007.

 

I'm comparing the phones to my K701's. I'm running both phones through the Asus Xonar Essence STX soundcard with FLAC files. Amping is done by a Heed Canamp.

 

The 650's are much brighter than my K701's. The K701's focal point in the treble was around 8k, while with the Senns it seems to be around 15k. There isn't a sign of the Sennheiser Veil that was very present in my old HD570's. They've hardly got more bass than the K701's, quantity-wise, though there seems to be more impact and lower extension. The bass isn't sloppy at all, it's just as tight as my K701's to me. The lower mids are warmer and more present on the HD650's, and the upper mids are less in-your-face. I prefer the 650's for everything except the treble, which I find somewhat hissy or shizzly, on the 650's. Cymbals seem to have more body on the K701's.

 

The 650's have only had a few hours of burn-in, though. I'm not a big believer, but I won't rule out the chance something might change.

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The 650's are much brighter than my K701's. The K701's focal point in the treble was around 8k, while with the Senns it seems to be around 15k.


 

You mean the K701's are more bright than the HD650s right?

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Originally Posted by Dibster View Post

So I got my pair of HD 650's and they sound nothing like I've been reading all these years. They do, however, sound how people are describing the "upgraded" version of the phones that supposedly came in around end of 2007.

 

I'm comparing the phones to my K701's. I'm running both phones through the Asus Xonar Essence STX soundcard with FLAC files. Amping is done by a Heed Canamp.

 

The 650's are much brighter than my K701's. The K701's focal point in the treble was around 8k, while with the Senns it seems to be around 15k. There isn't a sign of the Sennheiser Veil that was very present in my old HD570's. They've hardly got more bass than the K701's, quantity-wise, though there seems to be more impact and lower extension. The bass isn't sloppy at all, it's just as tight as my K701's to me. The lower mids are warmer and more present on the HD650's, and the upper mids are less in-your-face. I prefer the 650's for everything except the treble, which I find somewhat hissy or shizzly, on the 650's. Cymbals seem to have more body on the K701's.

 

The 650's have only had a few hours of burn-in, though. I'm not a big believer, but I won't rule out the chance something might change.


The HD650 has been called many things, but very rarely bright. Let us know your impressions after burn-in/acclimatization.

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The HD650 has been called many things, but very rarely bright. Let us know your impressions after burn-in/acclimatization.


Exactly...dark with a mid-bass hump and rolled off treble....but not bright; especially when compared to the K701. I've owned both at the same time and definitely would not describe them that way.

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