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post #15751 of 36863

I don't have tons of iem experience...I've owned about 1/2 dozen. Of those the vsonic gr07 be is the closest and a fine iem. They are discontinued but can still be purchased ATM from lendmeurears.com  I would grab a pair in a heartbeat. They are marked down from $180 to $130 until they run out. 

 

Temp Crack...

 


Edited by MattTCG - 2/6/14 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

 

I have spent about $100 so far on hot rodding my own Crack and am over the moon with the results over the stock Crack + Speedball, which is rightly highly rated in the first place. And its also been a whole lot of fun.

 

I have been putting some thoughts down on each of the mods to the crack with my impressions on the results on my build page over on the bottlehead forum if you are interested. Impressions have been made listening with the  HD650's and T1's

 

http://www.bottlehead.com/smf/index.php/topic,5284.0.html

 

Parts list

 

Valab 23 step ladder Attenuator $30

 

JFX Premium Metallized Polypropylene Film Capacitors 100uf 250v 2 x $32

 

JFX Premium Metallized Polypropylene Film Capacitors 2.2uf 250v 1 x $3

 

With the above mods you can have magic with the T1's also :wink_face:

 

Jamie

 

Isn't too bright for the T1?

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I don't have tons of iem experience...I've owned about 1/2 dozen. Of those the vsonic gr07 be is the closest and a fine iem. They are discontinued but can still be purchased ATM from lendmeurears.com  I would grab a pair in a heartbeat. They are marked down from $180 to $130 until they run out. 

 

Temp Crack...

 

 

Go 5998, very nice looking tube!

post #15754 of 36863
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

 

Isn't too bright for the T1?

I find brightness is more input tube dependent so something like a RCA clear tops will be very bright with a Mullard not at all and for me they have never sounded better. Currently running a nos e80cc for the input this was unbearably bright at first then really mellowed out after a little burning in and is fast becoming a favourite tube it has a nice way with mid range and vocals.

 

 I was very pleased to hear after about 100hrs burning in of the caps a welcome hint of soulfulness develop in the midrange and just a little more warmth, body and loveliness to vocals which I think they (T1's)are the better for.

Both T1’s and 650's have scaled well with the addition of the film caps and I continue to be amazed by the reproduction of music I listen to and those out of headphone experiences that catch you by surprise have become much more frequent. I have been very pleased with the results of fitting the film caps.
 


Edited by JamieMcC - 2/6/14 at 11:55pm
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Regarding the 650/Crack combo vs SummitFi.. I'd absolutely put it in that category.  As I've said before.. there's better/more technically capable phones than the HD650.. and there are better amps than the SB'ed Crack.. but I feel wholly confident saying the HD650/Crack combo can deliver "Summit-Fi"-worthy sound and technical ability, IME.  I'd prefer the Crack/HD650 over an HD800 that's paired with most $500-$700 amps (outside of the Crack).. I'd prefer the Crack/650 over an HE-500/Violectric stack (which I've had)... on and on.

 

My desire is for anyone who doesn't like the 650 to hear it on the Crack.  As I've said before.. the 650 can sound pretty damn ordinary and non-descript with most amps... there's just something special when it's paired up with my (custom/SB'ed) Crack..

 

@JamieMcC.. after not rolling my 12BH7s into the Crack for a while.. I revisited them and, man.. they really are fantastic.  To my ears, it seems that they sound best after approximately twenty  minutes of warmup/use.  They tend to sound a bit cleaner/tighter and more upfront vs most 12AU7s (that I have).. which the 650 seems to lap up.

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

Regarding the 650/Crack combo vs SummitFi.. I'd absolutely put it in that category.  As I've said before.. there's better/more technically capable phones than the HD650.. and there are better amps than the SB'ed Crack.. but I feel wholly confident saying the HD650/Crack combo can deliver "Summit-Fi"-worthy sound and technical ability, IME.  I'd prefer the Crack/HD650 over an HD800 that's paired with most $500-$700 amps (outside of the Crack).. I'd prefer the Crack/650 over an HE-500/Violectric stack (which I've had)... on and on.

 

My desire is for anyone who doesn't like the 650 to hear it on the Crack.  As I've said before.. the 650 can sound pretty damn ordinary and non-descript with most amps... there's just something special when it's paired up with my (custom/SB'ed) Crack..

 

@JamieMcC.. after not rolling my 12BH7s into the Crack for a while.. I revisited them and, man.. they really are fantastic.  To my ears, it seems that they sound best after approximately twenty  minutes of warmup/use.  They tend to sound a bit cleaner/tighter and more upfront vs most 12AU7s (that I have).. which the 650 seems to lap up.

 

"Summit-Fi" worthy sound?

 

I think the real question is are they worthy of our sound? :wink:

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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

 

"Summit-Fi" worthy sound?

 

I think the real question is are they worthy of our sound? :wink:

 

Well, of course.. but I think you get my drift.  It's a given that this is about personal satisfaction regardless of $$ spent.. but someone asked how it compares to Summit-Fi.. so I thought I'd chime in.  The Crack+650 delivers the kind of technical performance that wouldn't seem all that out of place among the Summit-Fi phones/systems I've owned.  I genuinely feel it's got that kind of competency.  Will an HD800/DNA Stratus combo or an Abyss/GS-X MKII rig sound (technically) better?  Certainly.. but that also costs a lot more.  The 650/Crack combo gets you "in the door, a couple of drinks, and the phone number of a sexy, down to earth, girl-next-door typeat the "Summit-Fi" bar.. for many (including me), that's pretty damn satisfying (and cost effective.. LOL).  A tricked out HD800 rig will get you to "the champagne room" elsewhere.

 

 

 

... if you get my drift.

 

 

 

:tongue_smile:

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post
 

Regarding the 650/Crack combo vs SummitFi.. I'd absolutely put it in that category.  As I've said before.. there's better/more technically capable phones than the HD650.. and there are better amps than the SB'ed Crack.. but I feel wholly confident saying the HD650/Crack combo can deliver "Summit-Fi"-worthy sound and technical ability, IME.  I'd prefer the Crack/HD650 over an HD800 that's paired with most $500-$700 amps (outside of the Crack).. I'd prefer the Crack/650 over an HE-500/Violectric stack (which I've had)... on and on.

 

My desire is for anyone who doesn't like the 650 to hear it on the Crack.  As I've said before.. the 650 can sound pretty damn ordinary and non-descript with most amps... there's just something special when it's paired up with my (custom/SB'ed) Crack..

 

@JamieMcC.. after not rolling my 12BH7s into the Crack for a while.. I revisited them and, man.. they really are fantastic.  To my ears, it seems that they sound best after approximately twenty  minutes of warmup/use.  They tend to sound a bit cleaner/tighter and more upfront vs most 12AU7s (that I have).. which the 650 seems to lap up.

 

I would agree with this all. In fact, I made a comment already that I'd had a friend over last week who heard the 650/crack combo and we both came to the same conclusion. Which was that this combo sounded better than the hd800 we'd heard on  some pretty good amps. 

 

I don't know about people who don't like the 650 though. I've always like it. Right out of the box with no burn in time and on a average amp. But it's possible that the crack/650 would make some converts. I guess that I can see that. 

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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

 

"Summit-Fi" worthy sound?

 

I think the real question is are they worthy of our sound? :wink:

 

Well, of course.. but I think you get my drift.  It's a given that this is about personal satisfaction regardless of $$ spent.. but someone asked how it compares to Summit-Fi.. so I thought I'd chime in.  The Crack+650 delivers the kind of technical performance that wouldn't seem all that out of place among the Summit-Fi phones/systems I've owned.  I genuinely feel it's got that kind of competency.  Will an HD800/DNA Stratus combo or an Abyss/GS-X MKII rig sound (technically) better?  Certainly.. but that also costs a lot more.  The 650/Crack combo gets you "in the door, a couple of drinks, and the phone number of a sexy, down to earth, girl-next-door typeat the "Summit-Fi" bar.. for many (including me), that's pretty damn satisfying (and cost effective.. LOL).  A tricked out HD800 rig will get you to "the champagne room" elsewhere.

 

 

 

... if you get my drift.

 

 

 

:tongue_smile:

Completely agree, HD650 with Crack could easily be end game setup
post #15760 of 36863
With all the talk of the HD650 and Crack what DAC does everyone like with it? I always hear 650/Crack but never what DAC. Unless that isn't really a big concern with the Crack.
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

[...]

 

I would agree with this all. In fact, I made a comment already that I'd had a friend over last week who heard the 650/crack combo and we both came to the same conclusion. Which was that this combo sounded better than the hd800 we'd heard on  some pretty good amps. 

 

I don't know about people who don't like the 650 though. I've always like it. Right out of the box with no burn in time and on a average amp. But it's possible that the crack/650 would make some converts. I guess that I can see that. 

 

You need to be more articulate here Matt. There are people already swept away by the enthusiasm over the Crack/HD650 pairing. The impression could be that you're placing this combo on the same tier as flagships, when in reality you're simply expressing where your "good enough" threshold is.

 

The picture being painted here is of the Crack elevating the HD650 to the stratosphere. I'm sure it's a good combo but do you really want to give someone unfamiliar with these headphones the impression that the HD650 is on the same level as an HE500/6,LCD-2/3/X/XC,T1,TH600/900,HD800? That an amp could really do that? Bit much isn't it?

 

Fwiw, I prefer the HD650 to the LCD-2, but no way would I claim the Senn to "sound better" than the Audez'e. The LCD-2 is still a more capable headphone straight from a laptop than the HD650 from any system. And if forced to choose between the two - I'd take the HD800 straight from my iPhone over the HD650 fully balanced from my M51 to Mjolnir rig. Without hesitation.

 

 

edit: HD800 impressions are useless without divulging upstream components. You could have some uber summit fi amp but the system will sound like turd if that is all your source is capable of rendering.


Edited by olor1n - 2/7/14 at 9:26am
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 And if forced to choose between the two - I'd take the HD800 straight from my iPhone over the HD650 fully balanced from my M51 to Mjolnir rig. Without hesitation.

 

edit: HD800 impressions are useless without divulging upstream components. You could have some uber summit fi amp but the system will sound like turd if that is all your source is capable of rendering.

So upstream is important but you prefer your HD800 with iPhone over HD650 with decent upstream...got it! 

Thanks for clearing that up.:confused_face_2:

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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

I find brightness is more input tube dependent so something like a RCA clear tops will be very bright with a Mullard not at all and for me they have never sounded better. Currently running a nos e80cc for the input this was unbearably bright at first then really mellowed out after a little burning in and is fast becoming a favourite tube it has a nice way with mid range and vocals.

 

 I was very pleased to hear after about 100hrs burning in of the caps a welcome hint of soulfulness develop in the midrange and just a little more warmth, body and loveliness to vocals which I think they (T1's)are the better for.

Both T1’s and 650's have scaled well with the addition of the film caps and I continue to be amazed by the reproduction of music I listen to and those out of headphone experiences that catch you by surprise have become much more frequent. I have been very pleased with the results of fitting the film caps.
 

 

I see. Would you compare the T1 to the HD650 on the Crack?

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Originally Posted by parbaked View Post

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

 
 And if forced to choose between the two - I'd take the HD800 straight from my iPhone over the HD650 fully balanced from my M51 to Mjolnir rig. Without hesitation.

edit: HD800 impressions are useless without divulging upstream components. You could have some uber summit fi amp but the system will sound like turd if that is all your source is capable of rendering.
So upstream is important but you prefer your HD800 with iPhone over HD650 with decent upstream...got it! 
Thanks for clearing that up.confused_face_2.gif

Yep, because the HD800 is inherently a better, more capable headphone than the HD650 - AND I AM NOT AVERSE TO THE WAY IT IS TUNED.

And source component is vital, particularly when transducers are so revealing. Too often people fixate on the amp. What if the amp is transparent and presenting flaws upstream? Some bold statements have been made here. How are we to know if those impressions weren't tainted without posing the question?
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Maybe I should start a thread in the Summit Fi section asking how people in that part of town rate the HD 650/crack combo compared to flagships possibly adding a poll of some sort. 

 

Opinions here seem to be polarised at two extreme sides. Some people think this combo is as good if not better than flagships like the HD 800 while others can't believe that this is even being discussed! haha.....

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