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post #15721 of 19516
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Originally Posted by JacobLee89 View Post
 

 

Fingers are starting to hover dangerously close to *checkout* and *ship to UK*..... The Crack + HD650 might just be the first setup I'll use to start my adventures in tube rolling!

 

Apart from the SB upgrade, are there any other upgrades/tweaks/tubes that provide noticeable improvements?

 

The SB upgrade is the most essential. I would say second is the tubes. The Tung Sol 5998 is a no brainer...sexy looking too. :o There are other updates but this is where you want to spend an extra if you have it. 

 

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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

Guess I really have to go with the Crack when I want to move on from Vali. biggrin.gif Btw, does anyone know good inexpensive cables for the 650's? Not expecting to hear any difference in SQ, but I find the stock cable unnecessarily long. Bumbed into some Toxic cables for ~80€, but I wonder if there's still some decent options for cheaper, preferably in Europe.

 

Best cables on the cheap are DIY. Chop the extra length off and reterminate with a nice plug of your choice. I did this very thing with my 650 cable and it's much more usable now. Beyond that, BTG Audio is very reasonable.

post #15722 of 19516
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Another few days with the crack and 650. I think that I'm getting to the bottom of why I like this combo so much. Two things:

 

1. The overall tonality is dead on. Realistic and natural. In a way that I didn't think the 650's were capable of. I've always thought that the 650 had a nice natural tone, but I always thought that only Stax setup could reach this level. Voices and instruments are beautifully reproduced. 

 

2. The next one is harder to nail down. But it comes down to instrument separation and soundstage. The sound stage on the 650 has always been decent. Not great but decent. Now, with the right tubes, the soundstage is tremendous. Where I keep check my system to be sure that the floor speakers aren't on. 

 

So I'll say it again, if you like the 650 and are still looking for the perfect amp then look no further. I've found it...:wink:

 

Thanks Matt, now im going to throw down 90$ for a 5998.  What other tube are you using with it and how much will it cost me??

post #15723 of 19516
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Originally Posted by Unfie View Post
 

For those with a Valhalla, how much of a sound improvement improvement was there between the stock tubes and some other kinds? Is it worth getting anything else besides stock if you're using it with an HD 650? 

 

Almost 10~15% better with the Amperex Orange Globes. 

post #15724 of 19516
Flysweep has mentored me on tube choices. I went with his recommendation for a Ken Rad with black plates and like it with the 5998. It did not make the same significant difference that switching to the 5998 made in the first place.
post #15725 of 19516
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

Guess I really have to go with the Crack when I want to move on from Vali. biggrin.gif Btw, does anyone know good inexpensive cables for the 650's? Not expecting to hear any difference in SQ, but I find the stock cable unnecessarily long. Bumbed into some Toxic cables for ~80€, but I wonder if there's still some decent options for cheaper, preferably in Europe.

 

Why not re-terminate the stock cable so it's shorter? Would cost you only the cost of the connector and a little time if you know how to solder.

 

[edit] I see Matt beat me to it. Should have read ahead first.


Edited by AxelCloris - 2/5/14 at 2:53pm
post #15726 of 19516
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Another few days with the crack and 650. I think that I'm getting to the bottom of why I like this combo so much. Two things:

 

1. The overall tonality is dead on. Realistic and natural. In a way that I didn't think the 650's were capable of. I've always thought that the 650 had a nice natural tone, but I always thought that only Stax setup could reach this level. Voices and instruments are beautifully reproduced. 

 

2. The next one is harder to nail down. But it comes down to instrument separation and soundstage. The sound stage on the 650 has always been decent. Not great but decent. Now, with the right tubes, the soundstage is tremendous. Where I keep check my system to be sure that the floor speakers aren't on. 

 

So I'll say it again, if you like the 650 and are still looking for the perfect amp then look no further. I've found it...:wink:

 

I decided to buy a Woo WA2 but now I’m thinking about buying the Crack instead, I don’t know how it pairs with the T1 and HD800 though. :confused:

post #15727 of 19516

The crack works well with both the hd800 and T1...quite well. But the magic is with the 650. 

post #15728 of 19516
How do the Woo Audio products play with the 650? I came across WA7 Fireflies and it looks very good. The price is a bit steep, but at the end of the day it's cheaper than Crack + Speedball and Schiit Bitfrost + relevant upgrades.
Not to mention WA7 has output for weaker impedance hp's too, so my Momentums would play fine. And as a bonus, WA7 also looks physically good, so the wife-to-be probably wouldn't mind as much.
Edited by Zojokkeli - 2/5/14 at 5:16pm
post #15729 of 19516

If I wanted a Woo for my 650s on a budget I would get the WA3, unless you really want your DAC and amp in one...

post #15730 of 19516

Been running my HD650's for the last year with a JDSLabs C421, O2 and an ODAC.  Finally decided to order the kit to make a Bottlehead Crack. Hoping its worth the money and wait! 

 

Figure it'll be easier to make then the O2 was.

post #15731 of 19516
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

How do the Woo Audio products play with the 650? I came across WA7 Fireflies and it looks very good. The price is a bit steep, but at the end of the day it's cheaper than Crack + Speedball and Schiit Bitfrost + relevant upgrades.
Not to mention WA7 has output for weaker impedance hp's too, so my Momentums would play fine. And as a bonus, WA7 also looks physically good, so the wife-to-be probably wouldn't mind as much.

 

The WA7 is very nice, but not cheaper than the crack w/sb. In fact it's twice as much. That includes extras on the crack and someone to build it. 

post #15732 of 19516
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

How do the Woo Audio products play with the 650? I came across WA7 Fireflies and it looks very good. The price is a bit steep, but at the end of the day it's cheaper than Crack + Speedball and Schiit Bitfrost + relevant upgrades.
Not to mention WA7 has output for weaker impedance hp's too, so my Momentums would play fine. And as a bonus, WA7 also looks physically good, so the wife-to-be probably wouldn't mind as much.
WA7 is great with HD650 if you want something to buy, connect, install driver if your computer running windows, plug your headphones and enjoy your music and never need to do anything extra besides getting upgrade tubes
post #15733 of 19516
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The WA7 is very nice, but not cheaper than the crack w/sb. In fact it's twice as much. That includes extras on the crack and someone to build it. 

I'd probably be looking to upgrade my DAC somewhere down the line too, so WA7 seems like a nifty all-in-one package. That would tip the overall price scale to WA7's favour. But I'm not making any major upgrades in the forseeable future, it's nice to speculate though. wink.gif
post #15734 of 19516
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

How do the Woo Audio products play with the 650? I came across WA7 Fireflies and it looks very good. The price is a bit steep, but at the end of the day it's cheaper than Crack + Speedball and Schiit Bitfrost + relevant upgrades.
Not to mention WA7 has output for weaker impedance hp's too, so my Momentums would play fine. And as a bonus, WA7 also looks physically good, so the wife-to-be probably wouldn't mind as much.

 

The WA7 is very nice, but not cheaper than the crack w/sb. In fact it's twice as much. That includes extras on the crack and someone to build it. 

Plus Crack sounds way better but you will have to get DAC separately which is in the long run is better
post #15735 of 19516

I'm considering selling my lyr for a crack after reading all the good things matt has said about it. I'm just worried about building the thing-- i've never soldered before so hopefully I don't do something bad that is irreversible.

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