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post #15526 of 38388

^^ I see, and the Vali will go on sale. 

post #15527 of 38388

We had a little get together last weekend.  Had a Magni, Vali, Asgard, Valhalla and a Mjolnir pile with two Senn 650s.

 

At the next one in a couple weeks we should have four HD 650s in house.  That's fun stuff.

post #15528 of 38388
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Originally Posted by WraithZA View Post
 

Hi All,

 

I've been struggling to decide on an upgrade to my current setup of PC -> Asus Xonar Essence STX -> HD 650.

 

I've got a couple of questions that I hope you folks will be able to help me with:

 

1. How decent is the DAC on the STX. Would it be feasible to just use the STX and purchase a more expensive amp (i.e. a Schiit Valhala) and connect via the line out of the card?

 

2. Should I rather get a discrete stack such as a Modi+Vali (I'm leaning towards Vali over Magni as I believe they should be a better fit with the 650's). I would then perhaps look to upgrade the amp at a later stage if I feel the need.

 

Your insights would be greatly appreciated :).

I have the STX (for several years now) and recently purchased the Vali. Believe me I look for every excuse to get new, cool, proficient equipment but i'm wondering how much better it can be without spending significant dollars. The Vali amp is better than the STX headphone amp with my HD600 and I find the combo  musical and engaging. I wouldn't say end game but the sound and value proposition is certainly compelling. I would recommend starting with the Vali (or Magni if your research takes you there) and enjoy the music for awhile then decide if you still have the itch.

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Originally Posted by AladdinSane View Post
 

I have the STX (for several years now) and recently purchased the Vali. Believe me I look for every excuse to get new, cool, proficient equipment but i'm wondering how much better it can be without spending significant dollars. The Vali amp is better than the STX headphone amp with my HD600 and I find the combo  musical and engaging. I wouldn't say end game but the sound and value proposition is certainly compelling. I would recommend starting with the Vali (or Magni if your research takes you there) and enjoy the music for awhile then decide if you still have the itch.

 

 

This forum has a way of giving people "the itch".

 

I think a lot of folks get a entry to mid-level headphone and they say "wow these sound great" ( while others are let down due to the high expectations they have from reading these forums) then they start reading about DAC's and amps and think "Jeebus, I must be really missing out"  and they spend a bunch of money on amps and things. When the reality sets in and they realize that at normal listening levels their PC sound card sounded just about the same, off to the FS forums goes the amp.

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Originally Posted by cswann1 View Post
 

 

 

This forum has a way of giving people "the itch".

 

I think a lot of folks get a entry to mid-level headphone and they say "wow these sound great" ( while others are let down due to the high expectations they have from reading these forums) then they start reading about DAC's and amps and think "Jeebus, I must be really missing out"  and they spend a bunch of money on amps and things. When the reality sets in and they realize that at normal listening levels their PC sound card sounded just about the same, off to the FS forums goes the amp.

I agree with this.  I'm actually very content with my Titanium HD and Asgard 2 pushing my HD650.  On high gain, I'm at about 30-45% depending on the track.  Anything higher is beyond listening levels and is a bit dangerous.

post #15531 of 38388

Give me the Vali with pre-amp and I would be well-scratched, that is to say, not itchy in the near term. Regardless, nice to know you're getting some quality sound with that particular piece at that price. Get one for every room in the house.

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The Vali is temporary. I'll have the crack w/sb for the 650 coming up next. :wink:

Wish I could find a place that ships fully assembled Cracks :(.

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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post
 

We had a little get together last weekend.  Had a Magni, Vali, Asgard, Valhalla and a Mjolnir pile with two Senn 650s.

 

At the next one in a couple weeks we should have four HD 650s in house.  That's fun stuff.

What was the general consensus regarding best pairings with the 650's?

 

Mjolnir is a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely tempted to pick up one of the others (unless I can find some Crack).

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Wish I could find a place that ships fully assembled Cracks :(.

Damn straight!  Where's a Crack dealer when you need one?

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Originally Posted by WraithZA View Post
 

Wish I could find a place that ships fully assembled Cracks :(.

Me too. I'll have to try to find a guy who'd be up for the job if I ever want to upgrade from Vali.

 

By the way, do people from Europe know if it's okay to order from different country's Amazon? Amazon Italy has a pretty sweet deal on the 650's and I wonder would they ship to Finland. Is there change these could be fakes? They would be a solid 50€ cheaper than back here.
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post
 

Me too. I'll have to try to find a guy who'd be up for the job if I ever want to upgrade from Vali.

 

I'm in SA, so unfortunately I have to import all my goodies.

 

Not sure about your situation, but make sure you factor in things like customs as well as return policies when making your decision.

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Originally Posted by WraithZA View Post

 

Not sure about your situation, but make sure you factor in things like customs as well as return policies when making your decision.

No customs as Finland is Euro Zone.

I would be more worried about return policies and warranty issues.

You save 50 Euro but then if you have a problem you have to speak with the guy in Italy and potentially spend a lot of money to send the products back and forth.

Not sure it's a smart move.

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Originally Posted by doraymon View Post
 

No customs as Finland is Euro Zone.

I would be more worried about return policies and warranty issues.

You save 50 Euro but then if you have a problem you have to speak with the guy in Italy and potentially spend a lot of money to send the products back and forth.

Not sure it's a smart move.

Possible warranty issues etc. could be trouble.. I happened to find a brick-and-mortar audio store in my city. I'll go there and see if they can make an offer I can't refuse. :rolleyes:

post #15539 of 38388
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Originally Posted by WraithZA View Post
 

What was the general consensus regarding best pairings with the 650's?

 

Mjolnir is a bit out of my price range, but I'm definitely tempted to pick up one of the others (unless I can find some Crack).


The Mjolnir is superb for soundstage and a very accurate and neutral sound if that's your thing... but only really provides that benefit if you have a fully balanced DAC.

 

If you don't, I can easily say that the Crack is the better option by far... and likely more affordable. :D I am just waiting for a certain groupbuy website to have it available again.

post #15540 of 38388

I have a bit of good news to post today.   After several years if fence sitting I am now an HD650 owner.

 

I drove to the PO this morning and picked it up and once back home, I fired up my amp and let it warm up for 10 minutes or so.   I kind of like a full 20 minutes of warm up but I couldn't wait.  I adjusted the tension springs to fit my melon and put in disc one of The Wall, I think by Goodbye Blue Sky the Little Dot was fully warmed up.   Disc 1 was followed by disc 2.  This is the first time in a long time I've listened to The Wall in it's entirety, all in one sitting.

 

I've heard the 650s on a couple of occasion and having owned, and loved, the 580s for a while the 650 was hardly a new experience for me.  I try to be fairly frugal with headphone gear and it was somewhat tough to talk myself into this purchase, but I'm glad I did.

 

From the Little Dot MKIVse, these headphones are as nice as I expected them to be and it still kind of surprises me that a headphone with such laid-back treble can still have so much resolution.  Many folks seem to equate bright with detailed, but this headphone proves that isn't so.

 

These CSD waterfall plots show that the HD650's drivers are plenty quick.

 

 

 

 

 

The decision to go ahead and get these was made shortly after the recent Austin meet when I heard them being driven by a Bottlehead Crack.   As fine an amp as the Crack is, what ultimately I have in mind is a balanced solid state arrangement.

 

Up until now the source for my home rig has been a quite good but sort of old-school disc player.  I really want to go ahead and move to a PC based source so that I'll have instant access to my entire media library.  I have a neat little netbook that I have dedicated for the task of a music server but I'll need a good DAC to go ahead and make the transition.   I figure while I'm at it I may as well follow through with my solid state amp plan at the same time.

       What I'm looking at is a Audio-gd NFB-28. It has pretty much every thing I am wanting all in one unit.  An ES9018 DAC chip, fully balanced solid state headphone amp, it can pull pre-amp duty at the same time, and has a nice remote as an option, but comes with a cheap one.  I'd spend the $50 for the upgrade remote.  Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome.


Edited by cswann1 - 1/28/14 at 8:37am
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