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post #15391 of 19535
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

Why no one can make a better phones than the HD650, even Sennheiser itself?  :rolleyes:


They did but they cost 3 times more and called HD800

post #15392 of 19535
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Why no one can make a better phones than the HD650, even Sennheiser itself?  :rolleyes:

 

LOL.  Given the title of this forum, I'll bite my tongue.

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Originally Posted by olegausany View Post
 


They did but they cost 3 times more and called HD800

 

So they're not better. :D

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

LOL.  Given the title of this forum, I'll bite my tongue.

 

Just wanted to appreciate them "probably" for the first time. LOL

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They did but they cost 3 times more and called HD800

So they're not better. biggrin.gif

Better? Yes. Cheaper? No. Simple.
post #15396 of 19535
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The 5998 vs. GEC 6as7g [or other good 6080]  boils down to a matter of preference irrespective of your attenuator imo.  To lay a little bit of foundation, 6as7(g)'s and 6080's are the stock power tube(s) in every OTL headamp, including the crack, woo 2/3, darkvoice, etc.  5998's and 7236's are similar and can be substituted in most, if not all of these amps, but they are not identical in their specs.  These tubes have higher gain and higher transconductance, the latter of which lowers an OTL headamp's output impedance.  As one would expect, this tends to make the sound a little brighter and bass a little tighter.  Ordinary 6as7g's and 6080's, including the GECs, raise output impedance and are a little be more mellow on the top end and a little fatter at the bottom end due to minor bass bloom.  As described in an article on Pete Millet's site (http://www.pmillett.com/Wheatfield/rolling.pdf , see bottom of page 2), "The 5998, 7236, and 6528 have different characteristics than the 6AS7 and 6080 tubes, which lower the output impedance of the HA-2. The resulting sound tends to be brighter and faster than the stock 6080. Conversely, a good old-stock 6AS7G tube can fatten the bass and give an even more "tubey" sound."

 

The GEC, which I do own (purchased back when they were still relatively cheap), is simply a very nice, refined 6as7g equivalent.  It looks cool, but honestly, I have a couple of $10 mil spec 6080's that arguably sound just as good.  The hype surrounding this tube is truly unfortunate.  Even skylab, who was head-fi's original proponent of the GEC tubes, has urged other head-fiers not to buy them at their present inflated prices - unless of course, you are buying for the sake of collecting, and not because you expect $200+ worth of improvement to your sound quality.  The only poster who has repeatedly made statements to the contrary (no one in this thread) recently admitted having purchased a number of the GEC tubes on the cheap and then, after prolifically posting about them as the be all end all, selling them on head-fi at current ebay prices.  The mods ultimately put a stop to it, but anyone considering buying a GEC tube should know the full story and approach that decision with due caution.

 

Thanks for the "Wheatfield rolling link" and detailed post.  I will stick with my "imho comments" as it was a comparison made not of one type of tube against another but of my own perspective of an increased level of refinement of sonics of the 5998 tube that was clearly perceivable after fitting of the attenuator when compared against the stock pot.

 

"There is quite a bit of difference in the tonal qualities of 6SN7's, and there are as many different opinions

about them as there are 6SN7 types."

 

The same could be said for the 6as7g


Edited by JamieMcC - 1/22/14 at 5:13pm
post #15397 of 19535
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post

 

Just wanted to appreciate them "probably" for the first time. LOL

 

Using the Lyr to drive them?  If so, what tubes?

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Better? Yes. Cheaper? No. Simple.


Exactly what I mean in my message above

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Using the Lyr to drive them?  If so, what tubes?

 

Amperex Orange Globe 6DJ8/ECC88


Edited by pdrm360 - 1/22/14 at 5:47pm
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Enjoying it very much! Thanks

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Enjoying it very much! Thanks

 

You bet! ;)

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I decided to bring the Crack out after a couple of weeks of hibernation since I got a couple of new tubes for it today (a Raytheon & Ken Rad 12AU7.. both black plates).. hooked up the HD650.. played this track from my SC stream.. and..

 

G44

 

I've raved and raved..and raved some more.. about the combo.  I'll say it again: it is end game amp for the 650, IME.  The phenomenal soundstage.. smooth, vibrant dynamics.. effortless clarity.. natural tonality... etc. etc.  The Crack offers an elegant balance of power and delicacy to the 650.. a balance I've heard with precious few amps... let alone ones below $1000.  If I had to sum up how the 650 sounds off my Crack in one word?

 

Majestic.


Edited by FlySweep - 1/23/14 at 1:54am
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I decided to bring the Crack out after a couple of weeks of hibernation since I got a couple of new tubes for it today (a Raytheon & Ken Rad 12AU7.. both black plates).. hooked up the HD650.. played this track from my SC stream.. and..

 

G44

 

I've raved and raved..and raved some more.. about the combo.  I'll say it again: it is end game amp for the 650, IME.  The phenomenal soundstage.. smooth, vibrant dynamics.. effortless clarity.. natural tonality... etc. etc.  The Crack offers an elegant balance of power and delicacy to the 650.. a balance I've heard with precious few amps... let alone ones below $1000.  If I had to sum up how the 650 sounds off my Crack in one word?

 

Majestic.

Do you know how this combo compares with summit fi setups i.e. HD800/T1 with high end amps/DACs.

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The HD800 paired with hi-end electronics will be more resolving and less colored.  

 

I'm not bashing anyone who invests in the high-end but in my humble, non audiophile opinion, the HD650 + Crack (esp with Speedball) is a paring that is as enjoyable and engaging as anything I've ever heard.   If you are like me and are into headphone audio because you just want to listen to and enjoy music, leave summit-fi to the audio-scientists.  Not to imply that folks who spend a lot of money don't also enjoy their music, but I just want to make the point that ignorance is bliss.  I'm listening to some Styx through my Little Dot MKIVse + HD580 and I am most certainly NOT complaining or wishing I'd spent more money on gear.  Hell I've heard HD800's, LCD2/3's, Beyer T1's and it only makes me love my HD580's even more because I can enjoy them so much and haven't jeopardized my retirement to get them.


Edited by cswann1 - 1/23/14 at 3:23am
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The HD800 paired with hi-end electronics will be more resolving and less colored.  

 

 

 

Still not buying this after all these years.  They may well be the dynamic to end all dynamic in terms of precision...to tell me they are less colored than the HD650...is just rubbish.  They might be just as colored as the HD650 in a different way...less colored...no.

 

I still hate them stock as the day I heard them.  Simply because no other headphone...in my life....has caused me so much pain...I hate pain very much.

 

Rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish...one more time F.Rubbish.


Edited by SP Wild - 1/23/14 at 4:03am
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