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post #15076 of 19554
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Originally Posted by dtheory View Post
 

Hello all.

 

I just got a pair of HD650s and through some basic research have discovered that I have leaped into quite a rabbit hole.

 

I am willing to invest in a DAC/AMP but I don't want to spend more than $200 at this time.

 

Therefore, what would get me my best bang for my buck as "noob" audiophile?  Put it into an amp or split the cost between a cheaper DAC/AMP combo?

I'm sure the headphones alone will be a stratospheric jump in quality for me, and I understand that the better the gear, the better the sound, but for my new (as of yet) not discerning ears, what is the most intelligent approach here?

Thank you for your assistance.  They're in the mail so I have some time to weigh different options.

 

Around the $200 you would want to be looking at Schiit gear. My vote is for either Magni/Modi or Vali/Modi. The Vali will be slightly over budget but well worth the money IMO. OR for just a little more money, :veryevil:, you can buy a Crack kit and have THE amp  for the hd650. You'd still need the dac but hey...you would be very close to the finish line...saving yourself thousands of dollars that you would normally have to spend to get to this point. 

 

gL!!

post #15077 of 19554
Say if I had a decent amp, the 650s, and really good Flac files playing out of a Macbook. Would a DAC have a profound influence in addition to these factors or are we talking a small improvement?
post #15078 of 19554

I don't know much about the dac in the mac TBH. But the reality is that the 650 responds and scales appreciably well with both the dac and the amp. I heard a nice difference just going from bifrost to bifrost uber. Don't skimp on the dac. :wink:

post #15079 of 19554
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I don't know much about the dac in the mac TBH. But the reality is that the 650 responds and scales appreciably well with both the dac and the amp. I heard a nice difference just going from bifrost to bifrost uber. Don't skimp on the dac. :wink:

 

FWIW, someone in another thread (maybe Q701 or C5/C5D) who was doing some comparisons mentioned he was surprisingly disappointed with the DAC in his Macbook Pro(? don't quote me on the model).  So yeah, DAC can definitely make a difference.  I'm pretty pleased with my HiFimeDIY Sabre U2, which runs around $56, but I also added the $29 USB Isolator.  Another Head-Fier and I tested the Sabre U2 with and without the isolator and decided it was $29 well spent.  So, for under $100 you can get that, and the isolator isn't limited to being used with the DAC, of course.

 

That said, I reckon those recommending the Schiit combo(s) are probably right.  I sure love my Lyr :D

 

Good luck.

post #15080 of 19554
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Originally Posted by Solarium View Post
 

My only gripe is that the crack is insanely huge and there's no way I can fit that on my desk without causing a lot of trouble. Here's my setup: http://www.head-fi.org/t/529140/lightbox/post/10121056/id/1007426. How is it compared to Lyr by any chance someone can elaborate? This is for both the HD650 and the HD800 which I eventually will upgrade to.

You would have room for one of these.  I was going to get the crack at first until I saw this amp and started doing some checking.  I did not like the size of the crack or the asthetics for that matter....http://diyah.boards.net/thread/143/project-ember.  I am loving the Ember and found the best tube for me, with the 650's  I have no complaints at all.  I had the ember built so no mess no fuss.

post #15081 of 19554
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Originally Posted by Solarium View Post
 

My only gripe is that the crack is insanely huge and there's no way I can fit that on my desk without causing a lot of trouble. Here's my setup: http://www.head-fi.org/t/529140/lightbox/post/10121056/id/1007426. How is it compared to Lyr by any chance someone can elaborate? This is for both the HD650 and the HD800 which I eventually will upgrade to.


Originally Posted by connieflyer View Post
 

You would have room for one of these.  I was going to get the crack at first until I saw this amp and started doing some checking.  I did not like the size of the crack or the asthetics for that matter....http://diyah.boards.net/thread/143/project-ember.  I am loving the Ember and found the best tube for me, with the 650's  I have no complaints at all.  I had the ember built so no mess no fuss.

Isn't this a hybrid with an SS output? Personally if I were going the tube route I'd go 100%.

post #15082 of 19554

It has opamps in the output stage.  Hybrid,ss, tube, all have there advantages and disadvantages.  I find the combination of the opamps in the output makes it easier to roll tubes, as you only need the one tube to buy and you don't have to second guess which of the tubes sound best with each other, just the single tube.  With the auto bias for tubes it makes rolling tubes quite easy.  The output power is more than I will ever need.  Have not found any music file that I have that had the amp staining or at full volume.  The amp is small enough not to take up so much space or be in the way.  If you are interested in the specs here is a link....http://garage1217.com/garage1217_diy_tube_headphone_amplifiers_004.htm  Jeremy has been very quick to answer any concerns or questions I have had.and the build quality was as good as it gets.  They also have a couple of other amps built on the same pcb;s with different design goals and with a 3 year warranty and built in the US, I thought it was and is a great investment.

post #15083 of 19554
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Originally Posted by connieflyer View Post
 

It has opamps in the output stage.  Hybrid,ss, tube, all have there advantages and disadvantages.  I find the combination of the opamps in the output makes it easier to roll tubes, as you only need the one tube to buy and you don't have to second guess which of the tubes sound best with each other, just the single tube.  With the auto bias for tubes it makes rolling tubes quite easy.  The output power is more than I will ever need.  Have not found any music file that I have that had the amp staining or at full volume.  The amp is small enough not to take up so much space or be in the way.  If you are interested in the specs here is a link....http://garage1217.com/garage1217_diy_tube_headphone_amplifiers_004.htm  Jeremy has been very quick to answer any concerns or questions I have had.and the build quality was as good as it gets.  They also have a couple of other amps built on the same pcb;s with different design goals and with a 3 year warranty and built in the US, I thought it was and is a great investment.

Just say'in that for myself I'd go the full course to get the entire tube sound, right to the output. Unfortunately this costs a bunch more. Actually I prefer the cleanest possible sound and am not looking for adding even order harmonic distortion to the original sound.

post #15084 of 19554

The Torpedo looks an interesting amp with  switchable hi/low gain is anyone running one with the HD650's?

post #15085 of 19554
I was thinking about the Fiio E12; I can get it in town for cheap.

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post #15086 of 19554
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Originally Posted by dtheory View Post

Say if I had a decent amp, the 650s, and really good Flac files playing out of a Macbook. Would a DAC have a profound influence in addition to these factors or are we talking a small improvement?

 

 

I would wait on a DAC at this time and spend your budget on a decent amp.  The Macs have decent DACs for what it is...... a laptop.  You could always get an improved stand alone DAC at a later point, months or years down the road...

post #15087 of 19554

I know that the e12 is a pretty good amp for planar magnetic headphones like the maddog and he400. Not sure how it pairs with 650 though. 

post #15088 of 19554
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I know that the e12 is a pretty good amp for planar magnetic headphones like the maddog and he400. Not sure how it pairs with 650 though. 

 

It's OK, but not very good, IMO.

post #15089 of 19554

Actually the E12 pairs better with Alpha Dog than the HD650, IMHO.

post #15090 of 19554
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Originally Posted by pdrm360 View Post
 

Actually the E12 pairs better with Alpha Dog than the HD650, IMHO.

 

That would have been my guesstimation. 

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