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post #14746 of 21413
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Originally Posted by FightCat View Post
 

Hello,

 

Got myself a a-couple-of-months-old second hand HD650 reserved for tomorrow.

 

Having read Mad Lust Envy's gaming-oriented review on the cans, I'd like to know if soundstage and positioning is indeed in need of improvement. I love listening to music and from what I've read, not one time I came across with a review criticising HD650, so I'm definitely into this pair, so I was wondering if cable/amp etc. upgrade could improve soundstage and positioning of the headphones.

 

I'll be pairing this with a  Asus Xonar U7 for starters but what else can I do, if I ever can ? Or should I give up on HD650 and look somewhere else?

 

Thank you.

 

 

I have the HD595 and HD650 headphones.  The HD650 is hands down better for music.  I also prefer the HD650 for single player games.  The headphones are all around better, and they also have more bass, so you get impact out of explosions and such.

 

However, if you are looking for headphones for a COMPETITIVE gaming session, I think the HD595 are better.  I do not think the term is 'soundstage' but the HD595s seem to have more "space" around in which sounds can be coming from.  The sounds from the HD650 are all closer to your ear.  What this means is that the HD595 is a little better at conveying positional locations of enemy sounds (shots/footsteps).  The HD650 reproduces the sound better, but the extra spaciousness of the sounds from the HD595 seem to really help with positional cues.

 

Furthermore, the bass is much much less in the HD595s.  This is actually a good thing in competitive games.  Explosions can cover up the sound of a gun shot or footsteps.  So it is a bit easier to hear those things on the HD595.

 

 

But still for single player games the HD650 is better.  It is makes the game more engaging.  And with the HD595, if you are playing a game like Skyrim, sometimes when you are talking to someone, it can sound like they are far away from you, when they are right near you.  With the HD650, the voices sound more natural.  

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

So my question(s) for you are, will the Lyr+Bifrost combo be as good as I'm imagining it with the 650s? 

Yes!

post #14748 of 21413

Which will sound better ?

 

Audinst HUD mini with HD650 or

 

Audinst HUD mini with HD518

post #14749 of 21413
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

Yes!

 

Thanks :smile:  I knew we had an NSA mindreader here ;)  To paraphrase Han Solo, I dunno, I can imagine quite a lot.

 

I know which thread I'm in, but would you say the 650 over the 600?  If so, why?  Please give me your best subjective take on it.  Seriously.

 

I'd guess a lot of the negative reviews I've read have been from people underamping the 650s, whereas a lot of the detailed positive reviews have come from people who specifically mentioned the importance of proper amping.  Tyll is a notable exception, preferring the 600.  nwavguy has a nice positive review of the 650 on his blog.

 

Well, let's see what Santa says, but I'm curious to hear your take on the matter, and anyone else who cares to chime in.

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 

 

Thanks :smile:  I knew we had an NSA mindreader here ;)  To paraphrase Han Solo, I dunno, I can imagine quite a lot.

 

I know which thread I'm in, but would you say the 650 over the 600?  If so, why?  Please give me your best subjective take on it.  Seriously.

 

I'd guess a lot of the negative reviews I've read have been from people underamping the 650s, whereas a lot of the detailed positive reviews have come from people who specifically mentioned the importance of proper amping.  Tyll is a notable exception, preferring the 600.  nwavguy has a nice positive review of the 650 on his blog.

 

Well, let's see what Santa says, but I'm curious to hear your take on the matter, and anyone else who cares to chime in.

I own both the 600 and the 650, I like them both but I prefer the 650 with the Lyr. I like the 600 with my solid state amps, it is a great reference headphone. The 650 has a lush, forgiving sound that makes ever track sound good. They get more head time then most of the cans I own. The Lyr/Bifrost combo  has fantastic synergy with the 650. The 650 is not as mystical as some would make it out to be as far as amping, but the first time I heard it with the Lyr and some decent tubes it gave me chills.

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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

I own both the 600 and the 650, I like them both but I prefer the 650 with the Lyr. I like the 600 with my solid state amps, it is a great reference headphone. The 650 has a lush, forgiving sound that makes ever track sound good. They get more head time then most of the cans I own. The Lyr/Bifrost combo  has fantastic synergy with the 650. The 650 is not as mystical as some would make it out to be as far as amping, but the first time I heard it with the Lyr and some decent tubes it gave me chills.


Sweet, that's all I needed to hear.  Appreciate you taking the time to reply.

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Originally Posted by ThurstonX View Post
 


Sweet, that's all I needed to hear.  Appreciate you taking the time to reply.

MattTCG has a nice write up about the 650/Lyr  that mirrors my thoughts on the combo http://www.head-fi.org/t/631682/he400-vs-hd650

 

 

I hope you do not mind me quoting you Matt, but I have always liked this  description:

 

 

"As much as the hd650 improved with the e09 and odac, it truly became a new hp with the lyr and bifrost. With this amp and dac, this is now the best setup that I have ever heard. As I plugged the jack into the lyr and adjusted the volume to about 10:00, I waited for that split second before the music breathed and came to life. Then the hair on my arms stood straight up. It was completely cathartic. All the purchases, all the disappointment…it was all worth it for this moment. In more tangible terms, the sound stage jumped from about mid shoulder to well off the shoulder and seems to be everywhere. There was attack and shameless purpose to the notes and chords. The bass was all I had ever hoped for. Texture, impact, quantity…without bleeding into the rest of the signature. The first song I chose was Cassandra Wilson’s: You Don’t Know What Love Is.  I’ve listened to this song probably 50 times. I had never heard it till this moment. You always hear people say that it was like hearing that song for first time and you know…it really was. I heard details from the instruments that I didn’t know were there. About half way through the song there is a violin solo that I’ve always been impressed with because of its clarity and raw emotion. So I reached over and turned the lyr to about 11:00…don’t ask me why. I was half expecting it to be way too loud and was ready to reach back for the volume pot to kick it back down. What come out of the hd650 at that moment was simply sublime. The way the hd650 was able to render that violin was other worldly. We all hope to have these moments later in our journey and we spend ridiculous amounts of money to have them, wondering if we will ever get there. The volume was not loud or blaring. It was more like moving from the 5th to the front row. I sat and listened in stunned silence to about half of the solo and being the bad boy that I am, I reached for the volume pot again and edged it to 12:00. That put me on stage with Cassandra and her ensemble. Incredible. This is why I listen to music. To get this kind of experience. To be moved by the sound."

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Well I'm sold. Now I just have to convince the wife. Lol
post #14754 of 21413
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post
 

MattTCG has a nice write up about the 650/Lyr  that mirrors my thoughts on the combo http://www.head-fi.org/t/631682/he400-vs-hd650

 

 

I hope you do not mind me quoting you Matt, but I have always liked this  description:

 

 

<snip>

 

Nice.  That was quite a description.  I'll be satisfied with a fraction of that.  Don't want to set the bar too high.  And thanks for the link.

post #14755 of 21413
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Well I'm sold. Now I just have to convince the wife. Lol

 

You´re right the difficult part is where the wife/lady gets in, at the beginnig I tought the most difficult part was to make the decision hahaha

post #14756 of 21413

Just plugged in my new amp, little dot Mk3 to these

 

WOW, such an amazing difference

 

just ordered a Schiit MODI DAC too :)

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Indeed the Mk3 is really nice with these! Altho my old Luxman gets more use now, since I think it's a bit better sounding :) Gotta plug in that mk3 again tho, loving the tube glow :D

 

Also I bought the fiio e12 portable amp. Damn didn't expect them to drive my hd650 that well. Having it 1 o clock is enough for some chill listen time, also using wimp so I can stream proper lossless cd quality. Much better streaming program than spotify etc... :beerchug:

post #14758 of 21413

Androp - thanks for pointing out wimp.  It looks like the service streams lossless on certain platforms but not others.  Strangely, while ios and android get lossless support, it looks like desktop computers are limited to 320kbs.  Weird.

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Yep, but I think the software is fairly new and I guess they are probably going to make it for pc aswell! But is Wimp available for you guys over at America?

post #14760 of 21413

Oh!  Guess not.  I imagine they'll add desktop support well before it is up and running in the States.  Guess I'll stick with MOG for the present since, at 320kbps, it seems to sound a little better than spotify and way better than rdio.  Sadly rdio has the nicest interface imo but the worst audio quality.  

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