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post #14626 of 25536
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

I would say for the HD-650 (ONLY!) it's comparable in sound to the Fiio E9.

I tried about 5-6 different sources with the Vali and HD-650 and can't hear them with the Vali.

 

However, the Vali is very good with my modded Q701.

 

I'm a little disappointed I don't like it much with the HD-650. O2 and even the Magni is far better for the HD-650 (IMO).

 

The soundstage of the Vali is very closed in and doesn't do the HD-650 any favors. Vali also has very farty/loose bass with the HD-650 and any source i've tried. Maybe you could buy a $10,000 DAC to fix the Vali's problems.

 

EDIT: The only thing for me that could save the Vali with the HD-650 is that if you had a DAC with a massive soundstage and it had about zero warmth.

 

Strangely enough the Vali with the Q701 sounds dead neutral.


Thank you for your input. I was pondering whether or not to get a Vali or Magni (going from a FiiO E09K) and got several mixed reactions from members here on Head-fi. I e-mailed a tech at Schiit asking the tech which amp (the Magni or Vali) I should choose to go with my Titanium HD Soundcard and the HD650's. Here was the tech's reply:

 

"Vali, without a doubt."

  (Tech's name omitted)

 

Now after reading your post I am concerned again because I am going from a FiiO E09K which is basically the same thing as the FiiO E9 that you mentioned sounded pretty much the same as the Vali. Maybe I will get better results coming from my Titanium HD - I hope so.

 

Thank you for your response and input tdockweiler View Post

post #14627 of 25536
I highly recommend reading the Vali thread before just basing your opinion on what a single person is saying. Especially the last 4-5 pages.
post #14628 of 25536
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Do you still have the Sonnet in your profile? What version/configuration do you have and how does it compare to the MJ? You have a nice collection of Senns there.

 

Yes I do.  It's the first version, with a TRS out.  I have a military Mullard as the rectifier and Reflektor Supertube as the driver.  When I got the Mjolnir I thought it was really boring.  Just kind of like, here it is, louder.  

 

But, Schiit happens.  I like the Sonett.  But the Mjolnir is great.  Direct, clear, powerful sounding.  The Sonett is doing duty in the vinyl rig, which I haven't listened to in weeks either so, I don't feel so bad.

 

I like the Senns for some reason.  :cool:

 

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Hey, good to see you here! :beerchug:

 

Hey!

post #14629 of 25536
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Originally Posted by Anavel0 View Post

I highly recommend reading the Vali thread before just basing your opinion on what a single person is saying. Especially the last 4-5 pages.


Thank you for the reply, I have actually read the whole thread since it was started. The problem I was struggling with is that some say the amp sounds good with the HD650's, others do not, so I didn't know which would be the best choice to make. I wasn't meaning to sound like I was basing my opinion on a single opinion, sorry if it came out that way.

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I always find the biggest audio quality comes from your song and source then your amp. Head-Fi can cause a lot of second guessing.
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Originally Posted by Anavel0 View Post

I highly recommend reading the Vali thread before just basing your opinion on what a single person is saying. Especially the last 4-5 pages.


Thank you for the reply, I have actually read the whole thread since it was started. The problem I was struggling with is that some say the amp sounds good with the HD650's, others do not, so I didn't know which would be the best choice to make. I wasn't meaning to sound like I was basing my opinion on a single opinion, sorry if it came out that way.

 

I'd be inclined to put more weight in the impressions from members who are quite familiar with quality components. People with Gungnirs, PWD's, Masters 7's with OR5's, scrutinising the amp with the Abyss, HD800 and LCD-X and comparing it against amps like the Mjolnir, Eddie Current Zana and BA, and Crack with speedball. Given what these members say about the Vali's ability to scale, it's no surprise that those with less capable systems are less enamoured.

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After my disappointment with the Modi>Vali>HD650, I've been auditioning the Gungnir>Vali>HD650, and I'm shocked at the difference in sound. With the Modi chain, the HD650 sounded flabby and hazy with compressed dynamics.  The Gungnir chain largely cleans up those problems and makes the HD650 sound very rich with exciting dynamics. I have to listen to the Gungnir>Mjolnir>HD650 again, but I'm not sure I've ever heard the HD650 treble with this much sparkle and clarity. The mid-bass punch of the HD650 hits like a prize fighter--maybe a bit too much, but very fun. The soundstage is intimate, but instrument separation and detail are very nice. This is one of the best chains I've ever heard for the HD650.  I think some of the preferences for the HD600 comes from plugging it into muddy signal chains.  The Gungnir>Vali>HD650 may make you forget about the HD600.

 

Schiit should never have used the Modi-sized chassis for the Vali, because the Modi doesn't begin to take advantage of the Vali's potential.  The Vali deserves a high quality DAC.

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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post
 

After my disappointment with the Modi>Vali>HD650, I've been auditioning the Gungnir>Vali>HD650, and I'm shocked at the difference in sound. With the Modi chain, the HD650 sounded flabby and hazy with compressed dynamics.  The Gungnir chain largely cleans up those problems and makes the HD650 sound very rich with exciting dynamics. I have to listen to the Gungnir>Mjolnir>HD650 again, but I'm not sure I've ever heard the HD650 treble with this much sparkle and clarity. The mid-bass punch of the HD650 hits like a prize fighter--maybe a bit too much, but very fun. The soundstage is intimate, but instrument separation and detail are very nice. This is one of the best chains I've ever heard for the HD650.  I think some of the preferences for the HD600 comes from plugging it into muddy signal chains.  The Gungnir>Vali>HD650 may make you forget about the HD600.

 

Schiit should never have used the Modi-sized chassis for the Vali, because the Modi doesn't begin to take advantage of the Vali's potential.  The Vali deserves a high quality DAC.


I hope the same is true in my case. No I do not have a high-end DAC, but I am not using a Modi either. I am using a Titanium HD soundcard which isn't a bad DAC at all (better specs than the Modi, but then again sound is subjective so I don't know) so I am hoping that I get good sound with the Titanium HD ->Vali->HD650. The nice thing about the Titanium HD is that if the Vali is too warm or too thick or vice-versa, I can just do a little EQ'ing to try to help remedy it as another member suggested I could do.

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Originally Posted by Anavel0 View Post

I always find the biggest audio quality comes from your song and source then your amp. Head-Fi can cause a lot of second guessing.

Thank you again for your reply. And I agree 100% Also sound is so subjective that what sounds terrific to one person could sound horrible to another. And with all of the different equipment being used from low-end to high-end it does make it hard to filter through some things and it does make you second guess yourself. Unfortunately in my case, I do not have any high-end audio stores anywhere close here to actually audition good quality DACs, Amps, or cans so I basically have to rely on member recommendations and thoughts. Thank you once again for the post.

 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

I'd be inclined to put more weight in the impressions from members who are quite familiar with quality components. People with Gungnirs, PWD's, Masters 7's with OR5's, scrutinising the amp with the Abyss, HD800 and LCD-X and comparing it against amps like the Mjolnir, Eddie Current Zana and BA, and Crack with speedball. Given what these members say about the Vali's ability to scale, it's no surprise that those with less capable systems are less enamoured.

+1 Thank you and very nice post. I'm still a beginner in the audiophile world with a beginner setup, so I may not notice too much of a difference with the Vali from the Fiio E09K I am using now with the HD650's, I am just hoping that the Titanium HD's DAC performs better with the Vali than what members have reported with the Modi. But hopefully in the future and over time I can slowly upgrade to better components like an uberfrost, Lyr etc., it just sucks for me that I have such a tight budget.  "Oh why is wanting to be a true audiophile so expensive???"  I'm a beginner at this and I've already come to this realization lol

 

Anyhow I really appreciate your input and again, thank you for the post.

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Originally Posted by TheGame View Post
 


I hope the same is true in my case. No I do not have a high-end DAC, but I am not using a Modi either. I am using a Titanium HD soundcard which isn't a bad DAC at all (better specs than the Modi, but then again sound is subjective so I don't know) so I am hoping that I get good sound with the Titanium HD ->Vali->HD650. The nice thing about the Titanium HD is that if the Vali is too warm or too thick or vice-versa, I can just do a little EQ'ing to try to help remedy it as another member suggested I could do.


I'm pretty sure the HD650 will sound good in your setup, but you've already got two of the three pieces you need to make it sound great.

post #14636 of 25536

I would skip Lyr and would go straight to Crack and yes I heard both Lyr and Crack at the same time with different tubes sets / combos

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Question to fellow HD650 owners: would a headphone amp with the following power output characteristics be a good match for the HD650's?

165mW(RL=32Ω,THD+N=1%)
110mW(RL=300Ω,THD+N=1%)
70mW(RL=600Ω,THD+N=1%)
post #14638 of 25536
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Originally Posted by Barry S View Post
 

After my disappointment with the Modi>Vali>HD650, I've been auditioning the Gungnir>Vali>HD650, and I'm shocked at the difference in sound. With the Modi chain, the HD650 sounded flabby and hazy with compressed dynamics.  The Gungnir chain largely cleans up those problems and makes the HD650 sound very rich with exciting dynamics. I have to listen to the Gungnir>Mjolnir>HD650 again, but I'm not sure I've ever heard the HD650 treble with this much sparkle and clarity. The mid-bass punch of the HD650 hits like a prize fighter--maybe a bit too much, but very fun. The soundstage is intimate, but instrument separation and detail are very nice. This is one of the best chains I've ever heard for the HD650.  I think some of the preferences for the HD600 comes from plugging it into muddy signal chains.  The Gungnir>Vali>HD650 may make you forget about the HD600.

 

Schiit should never have used the Modi-sized chassis for the Vali, because the Modi doesn't begin to take advantage of the Vali's potential.  The Vali deserves a high quality DAC.


Well come on, let's be realistic. The Modi costs $99 and the Gungnir costs $749.

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Originally Posted by Zalithian View Post
 


Well come on, let's be realistic. The Modi costs $99 and the Gungnir costs $749.


Yep.  I think it's noteworthy that a $119 amp pairs really well with a $749 DAC to make a $499 headphone sound like a million bucks.  Just so you're realistic, I included the following list. :rolleyes: 

 

Uberfrost+Crack/Speedball  $819

Bifrost + Lyr + Amperex Orange Globes $850

Gungnir + Vali  $870

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This idea that the Vali scales up is a bunch of non-sense IMO. You're all basically fixing the Vali's faults with even more (nice) colorations.

You know what the problem is? It's not the Modi. The Vali is what's holding the Modi back and not the other way around.

 

I tried about a half dozen sources with the Vali and the HD-650 and the Vali craps up the sound out of ALL of them. I can't tell any of them apart. In my book attaching a fancy DAC to this thing is like plugging them into an E9. Probably would get similar results when trying to hear their different qualities. You can't. With an O2 or what I already have, it's stupid easy. Why would I want to muck up the sound of a crystal clear DAC with the Vali's muffled noise? I don't.

 

My guess is that maybe the Gungnir has a massive soundstage, is lean and sort of bright with sparkly treble. Well that would do the trick. I wouldn't want to buy an expensive DAC to de-crapify my amp honestly.

 

Feel free to proclaim I'm wrong because I don't have $10,000 gear and have bad hearing. People can test this out and see what they find. There is no reason the Vali should sound bad with an ODAC or Modi when using the HD-650.

 

NOTE: Q701 is pretty amazing on the Vali and didn't change a thing. The HD-650 on it was a complete fail.


Edited by tdockweiler - 12/3/13 at 7:44pm
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