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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post
 

Didn't buy it, I recieved it to test. I will be sending it back soon enough.

Ah I gotcha, I take it that you like it?

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Didn't buy it, I recieved it to test. I will be sending it back soon enough.

Ah I gotcha, I take it that you like it?

Love it. 

post #14043 of 21484
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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post
 

Well, my one caveat with this headphone has been fixed, seriously. I have an aftermarket cable with me right now, and the soundstage has gone up by atleast 30%. YAY!


If you went balanced... then I'm not surprised. If that was just a single ended cable and you got that much improvement... then you HAVE to try balanced :wink_face:

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post
 

Well, my one caveat with this headphone has been fixed, seriously. I have an aftermarket cable with me right now, and the soundstage has gone up by atleast 30%. YAY!


If you went balanced... then I'm not surprised. If that was just a single ended cable and you got that much improvement... then you HAVE to try balanced :wink_face:

It is SE. I'm using a 3 Pin adapter to 1/4 inch.

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If you went balanced... then I'm not surprised. If that was just a single ended cable and you got that much improvement... then you HAVE to try balanced :wink_face:

 

Agreed 100%...

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If you went balanced... then I'm not surprised. If that was just a single ended cable and you got that much improvement... then you HAVE to try balanced :wink_face:

 

I've have all SE amps and have never tried balanced. Too many people I trust tell me that it's just not that much difference, especially when you account for volume matching. Don't flame me I'm just asking what kind of difference there is. :ph34r:

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So, you're sceptical about the benefits of balanced topologies? Based on sensible impressions on its benefit over se, yet you're asking someone to elaborate on the benefits of a cable "upgrade"? A $500 cable, that yields a soundstage increase of at least 30%? That the poster didn't purchase, but granted the luxury of (presumably) a free trial? Ugh... hmmm.

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So, you're sceptical about the benefits of balanced topologies? Based on sensible impressions on its benefit over se, yet you're asking someone to elaborate on the benefits of a cable "upgrade"? A $500 cable, that yields a soundstage increase of at least 30%? That the poster didn't purchase, but granted the luxury of (presumably) a free trial? Ugh... hmmm.

Everything seems to have improved. Anyways, we should get back on topic!;)

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I've have all SE amps and have never tried balanced. Too many people I trust tell me that it's just not that much difference, especially when you account for volume matching. Don't flame me I'm just asking what kind of difference there is. :ph34r:


I cannot comment on other headphones... only for the HD650 that I've personally tried. In this case, trying the Lyr vs the Mjolnir... both with A/B comparison and even longer listening (recently swapped my friend lately for Lyr + Uberfrost... we wanted to try out each other's stacks) I can safely say the key difference is soundstage. Especially orchestral pieces, they just have so much more separation and a sense of the room acoustics. Much better sense of depth and width... higher ceiling. Lyr is a bit more closed and intimate... and of course with the warmer tubes my friend has... a very nice warmth/colour to more smoother jazz or vocal pieces. Even feeding my E09K with Gungnir, the soundstage was not the same... sound signature was similar to Mojo/Gun, but it lacked the soundstage again (and of course dynamics/headroom and more black background simply cause Mojo is a very clean beast).

 

If you get the chance definitely try it out for yourself Matt. Before, I had always heard that balanced goes well for the HD650 but I was skeptical, until I listened to the HD600 balanced at the Toronto head-fi meet... it was an extremely wonderful surprise :biggrin: I still get warm fuzzies thinking bout how that rig sounded. The clean background, separation and holographic soundstage! (the movie soundtrack "own my own" from Les Mis... I felt like I was in the rain)

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I cannot comment on other headphones... only for the HD650 that I've personally tried. In this case, trying the Lyr vs the Mjolnir... both with A/B comparison and even longer listening (recently swapped my friend lately for Lyr + Uberfrost... we wanted to try out each other's stacks) I can safely say the key difference is soundstage. Especially orchestral pieces, they just have so much more separation and a sense of the room acoustics. Much better sense of depth and width... higher ceiling. Lyr is a bit more closed and intimate... and of course with the warmer tubes my friend has... a very nice warmth/colour to more smoother jazz or vocal pieces. Even feeding my E09K with Gungnir, the soundstage was not the same... sound signature was similar to Mojo/Gun, but it lacked the soundstage again (and of course dynamics/headroom and more black background simply cause Mojo is a very clean beast).

 

If you get the chance definitely try it out for yourself Matt. Before, I had always heard that balanced goes well for the HD650 but I was skeptical, until I listened to the HD600 balanced at the Toronto head-fi meet... it was an extremely wonderful surprise :biggrin: I still get warm fuzzies thinking bout how that rig sounded. The clean background, separation and holographic soundstage! (the movie soundtrack "own my own" from Les Mis... I felt like I was in the rain)

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

Could you also share a quick comparison of the HD650 vs. K702 Annies?


Edited by pdrm360 - 10/16/13 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post
 


I cannot comment on other headphones... only for the HD650 that I've personally tried. In this case, trying the Lyr vs the Mjolnir... both with A/B comparison and even longer listening (recently swapped my friend lately for Lyr + Uberfrost... we wanted to try out each other's stacks) I can safely say the key difference is soundstage. Especially orchestral pieces, they just have so much more separation and a sense of the room acoustics. Much better sense of depth and width... higher ceiling. Lyr is a bit more closed and intimate... and of course with the warmer tubes my friend has... a very nice warmth/colour to more smoother jazz or vocal pieces. Even feeding my E09K with Gungnir, the soundstage was not the same... sound signature was similar to Mojo/Gun, but it lacked the soundstage again (and of course dynamics/headroom and more black background simply cause Mojo is a very clean beast).

 

If you get the chance definitely try it out for yourself Matt. Before, I had always heard that balanced goes well for the HD650 but I was skeptical, until I listened to the HD600 balanced at the Toronto head-fi meet... it was an extremely wonderful surprise :biggrin: I still get warm fuzzies thinking bout how that rig sounded. The clean background, separation and holographic soundstage! (the movie soundtrack "own my own" from Les Mis... I felt like I was in the rain)

 

I appreciate your thoughts and impressions here. Since soundstage seems to be the most substantial improvement, I'll likely pass on this one. SS just isn't high on my list. I love the intimate sound of the lyr and the ability to roll the tubes. 

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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post
 


I cannot comment on other headphones... only for the HD650 that I've personally tried. In this case, trying the Lyr vs the Mjolnir... both with A/B comparison and even longer listening (recently swapped my friend lately for Lyr + Uberfrost... we wanted to try out each other's stacks) I can safely say the key difference is soundstage. Especially orchestral pieces, they just have so much more separation and a sense of the room acoustics. Much better sense of depth and width... higher ceiling. Lyr is a bit more closed and intimate... and of course with the warmer tubes my friend has... a very nice warmth/colour to more smoother jazz or vocal pieces. Even feeding my E09K with Gungnir, the soundstage was not the same... sound signature was similar to Mojo/Gun, but it lacked the soundstage again (and of course dynamics/headroom and more black background simply cause Mojo is a very clean beast).

 

If you get the chance definitely try it out for yourself Matt. Before, I had always heard that balanced goes well for the HD650 but I was skeptical, until I listened to the HD600 balanced at the Toronto head-fi meet... it was an extremely wonderful surprise :biggrin: I still get warm fuzzies thinking bout how that rig sounded. The clean background, separation and holographic soundstage! (the movie soundtrack "own my own" from Les Mis... I felt like I was in the rain)

 

I swapped my Lyr (Russian 6N1P tubes from Schiit) / Uberfrost with joebobbilly, and I echo the same findings regarding the Mjolnir/Gungnir. I've also been using it with my HD650, and also my HE500. The HD650 scales up a lot better going balanced than the HE500 imo. The sound stage is clearly the biggest difference for me too. It did take a bit to get used to the absolutely zero crosstalk between the channels, especially with some older tracks and live tracks that put all the instruments on one side. But aside from that, it didn't  take a lot of effort to notice the difference for me. 

 

The next thing probably from my stack to his stack was the background noise, but that's obvious given the Lyr is tube vs the Mjolnir which is SS... 

 

Just picked up some Amperex Orange Globes 6DJ8 and Matsu 6922 tubes, time to play around with them tonight!

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I cannot comment on other headphones... only for the HD650 that I've personally tried. In this case, trying the Lyr vs the Mjolnir... both with A/B comparison and even longer listening (recently swapped my friend lately for Lyr + Uberfrost... we wanted to try out each other's stacks) I can safely say the key difference is soundstage. Especially orchestral pieces, they just have so much more separation and a sense of the room acoustics. Much better sense of depth and width... higher ceiling. Lyr is a bit more closed and intimate... and of course with the warmer tubes my friend has... a very nice warmth/colour to more smoother jazz or vocal pieces. Even feeding my E09K with Gungnir, the soundstage was not the same... sound signature was similar to Mojo/Gun, but it lacked the soundstage again (and of course dynamics/headroom and more black background simply cause Mojo is a very clean beast).

 

If you get the chance definitely try it out for yourself Matt. Before, I had always heard that balanced goes well for the HD650 but I was skeptical, until I listened to the HD600 balanced at the Toronto head-fi meet... it was an extremely wonderful surprise :biggrin: I still get warm fuzzies thinking bout how that rig sounded. The clean background, separation and holographic soundstage! (the movie soundtrack "own my own" from Les Mis... I felt like I was in the rain)

 

I appreciate your thoughts and impressions here. Since soundstage seems to be the most substantial improvement, I'll likely pass on this one. SS just isn't high on my list. I love the intimate sound of the lyr and the ability to roll the tubes. 

You really should get Crack since you love tube rolling
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Post edited to reflect a 15-25% increase in soundstage.

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 View Post
 

Post edited to reflect a 15-25% increase in soundstage.

 

LOL I get stupid impressions like this too and I believe you. I actually used an ALO SXC cable on my Q701 and it made everything sound too distant as if the soundstage was too huge. What? How?! Stock cable for me.

 

I have one of those DHC cables for my HD-650 but I had it made from someone on here in exchange for a used headphone. I still use stock for some reason. Actually I use an HD-600 cable on my HD-650, but there is not much of a difference.

I actually believe the HD-600 cable is better (lower capacitance too), but I won't go there.

 

When I got rid of my HRT MSII and switched to an ODAC/Modi I instantly couldn't hear an ounce of difference between cables unless it was high capacitance wire.

 

 

If I cared about cables now I would make an HD-650 cable with ALO SXC (bulk DIY) or any silver plated copper. Whatever is cheapest. $250 for a 1" Ipod LOD cable makes me sick. Must be hard to run a cable company and stay alive..or not. I wouldn't know.

 

I think the only reason I hear a difference is because of the cables capacitance rating and a combination of all my gear and the headphones.

 

I still wish someone would try to make an HD-650 cable with Monoprice Cat 6 :biggrin:

 

Best cable I ever bought was a Cardas 6' mini to mini cable for $30. Worth every penny! I also like Monoprice and Mogami W2893.

 

FYI for anyone that cares, I never heard more than a 2-3% difference with any cable. Biggest change was when I recabled my 598 with Mogami.


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/16/13 at 5:43pm
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