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post #13831 of 36851

Sounds awesome! I cannot wait to save enough money to get an Uberfrost!!!

post #13832 of 36851

I've used an internal X-Fi for years connected to an external amp over an optical link.  For surround sound/DVD playback etc it just bypasses the X-Fi completely and passes the dolby digital signal directly to the external amp to decode, for gaming it can encode a surround sound signal into a dolby stream and uplink to the external amp, or just pass a regular digital stereo signal to the amp (preferred), and then for music you can switch the X-Fi into audio creation mode which will enable bit perfect playback.  It a surprisingly versatile setup, and when used like that the onboard AMP/DAC of the X-FI never gets used (good thing).

 

It dosent matter what external amp you are using as long as its digital coax or optical.  Only exception being for DVD playback the amp will need to support Dolby Digital for true surround sound if you like that kind of thing.  Cant stand it myself, only every used it in two channel stereo mode.

 

Uberfrost should serve you well, only change i made to my setup was to add an O2/ODAC to drive my pair of HD650's, but they are for music listening only, everything else is done via the old setup with the external amp/headset for gaming etc.

 

Basically dont rule out a good onboard sound card, you have plenty of options with them..

post #13833 of 36851
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Welcome. :D I have not owned one of those cables but have followed the thread for the cables. Let's just say that the members here seem to be quite "enthusiastic" about those cables. 

 

I think the 8 or 9 week wait works the customers into a lather....

post #13834 of 36851
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

Welcome. biggrin.gif  I have not owned one of those cables but have followed the thread for the cables. Let's just say that the members here seem to be quite "enthusiastic" about those cables. 

+1. Especially if you can get a one used in good condition.biggrin.gif
post #13835 of 36851
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Originally Posted by TheGame View Post
 

Sounds awesome! I cannot wait to save enough money to get an Uberfrost!!!

 

Definitely a good choice... one that I'm sure many members here would vouch for. When you do get it, just pop up again and ask others here how to set it up for WASAPI or ASIO, etc for bitperfect.

 

As for "what you're looking for" in sound... it's just a matter of learning your own listening preferences. Some prefer more "neutral" and true to recording headphones... whereas others enjoy a more "fun" or "coloured" sound. Me, for example... I highly enjoy a more laid back sound with a slight treble roll off (I find I'm sensitive to harsh/sharp highs and fatigue easily). Also due to my preference for vocals I thoroughly love the smooth buttery warmth of cans like the HD650, but yet my love for acoustic guitars turns me to my K702 Annies sometimes. So music preference will shape your upgrade choices too.

 

As a basic over generalization for components: (YMMV)

 

- Headphones/Transducers: these determine the main "sound signature"... biggest change IMO

- DAC, this is your source... so think of the adage "garbage in garbage out"... significant changes in tone and resolution

- Amp... this is the muscle... how well a signal is amplified to an audible level... typically affects dynamics and energy in the sound... SS amps tend to be more "neutral" with a set sound signature, tube amps you can roll tubes to get subtle sound variations from the harmonic distortions that the tubes offer.

- Cable... (a touchy topic on head fi), but from what i have tried so far... generally just gives small extensions to the upper and lower frequencies

 

NOTE: going balanced is also an iffy topic for some here... but honestly (at least for me) it made a very significant change to the HD650/600

post #13836 of 36851

^^ this is a good post...well put. :biggrin:

post #13837 of 36851
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

Welcome. :D I have not owned one of those cables but have followed the thread for the cables. Let's just say that the members here seem to be quite "enthusiastic" about those cables. 

 

Very....:D 

post #13838 of 36851
Totally new to this hobby and by no means an audiophile, but I've been stalking this site and learning lots. Today I went by the local home theater shop and had the chance to demo the 650s and wow! I was blown away. Very tempted to come home with them.... But way out of the budget currently... frown.gif I am thinking of picking up a pair of 598s soon though as they are more within my current budget unless someone convinces me its worth it to wait and keep saving up for the 650s instead.

I currently have a pair of PX100s and a Fiio e17. Listen to all kinds of genres and primary use would be for home office use while working.
post #13839 of 36851
They work good for BF3
post #13840 of 36851

As my time with my 650s continues, I've checked off a largely unchecked box from my list of headphone wants:

I've always wanted to be able to leave the same headphone going from my old school Jay Z records to Horowitz playing Chopin. The 650s are the first of many that could handle the drastic change in sound qualities of those genres and still bring a smile to my face!

post #13841 of 36851
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

^^ this is a good post...well put. :biggrin:

+1

 

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Originally Posted by joebobbilly View Post
 

 

Definitely a good choice... one that I'm sure many members here would vouch for. When you do get it, just pop up again and ask others here how to set it up for WASAPI or ASIO, etc for bitperfect.

 

As for "what you're looking for" in sound... it's just a matter of learning your own listening preferences. Some prefer more "neutral" and true to recording headphones... whereas others enjoy a more "fun" or "coloured" sound. Me, for example... I highly enjoy a more laid back sound with a slight treble roll off (I find I'm sensitive to harsh/sharp highs and fatigue easily). Also due to my preference for vocals I thoroughly love the smooth buttery warmth of cans like the HD650, but yet my love for acoustic guitars turns me to my K702 Annies sometimes. So music preference will shape your upgrade choices too.

 

As a basic over generalization for components: (YMMV)

 

- Headphones/Transducers: these determine the main "sound signature"... biggest change IMO

- DAC, this is your source... so think of the adage "garbage in garbage out"... significant changes in tone and resolution

- Amp... this is the muscle... how well a signal is amplified to an audible level... typically affects dynamics and energy in the sound... SS amps tend to be more "neutral" with a set sound signature, tube amps you can roll tubes to get subtle sound variations from the harmonic distortions that the tubes offer.

- Cable... (a touchy topic on head fi), but from what i have tried so far... generally just gives small extensions to the upper and lower frequencies

 

NOTE: going balanced is also an iffy topic for some here... but honestly (at least for me) it made a very significant change to the HD650/600

Thank you for this post joebobbilly, it is well written and written so it is easy for a beginner like me to have a better understanding of the concepts behind sound. Very nice and I really appreciate the post, very well written and easy to understand! Thank you!

 

Since a lot of members here agree I should go with UberFrost as my DAC (as soon as I can afford it) what is a good amp that would go along with the UberFrost and the HD 650's? Right now I am just using a FiiO E09k, which provides plenty of power to drive the HD 650's, but as most know it is a "cheaper" (price-wise) amp. And as I stated in an earlier post about other components, I haven't had the opportunity to test out or try any different amps to see any differences between certain amps. What do you and the other experts here at Head-fi reccomend as far as a good amp to complement a set-up consisting of the UberFrost DAC -> to amp -> to HD 650's? I wouldn't mind trying out a tube amp like the HiFiMan EF5 Vaccuum Tube amp here http://www.crutchfield.com/p_818EF5/HiFiMAN-EF5.html?tp=60845&

 

But I do not know if that amp would be a good compliment to this setup as I have no experience with any amps besides the FiiO E09k. And also it is going to take me some time to get close to $1000 to be able to purchase the Uberfrost and the HiFiMan EF5. Can anyone suggest a great amp, tube or otherwise that would be a great match for this setup?

 

Thank you all again for your continued expert advice, Head-fi is the best with the best people and members! I appreciate you all!


Edited by TheGame - 10/1/13 at 8:27pm
post #13842 of 36851
Bottlehead Crack is a great amp for the HD650. I use mine with a Schiit Asgard and its also pretty good, though not as dynamic as the Crack. I've heard good things about the Schiit Lyr too.
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+1

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Thank you for this post joebobbilly, it is well written and written so it is easy for a beginner like me to have a better understanding of the concepts behind sound. Very nice and I really appreciate the post, very well written and easy to understand! Thank you!

Since a lot of members here agree I should go with UberFrost as my DAC (as soon as I can afford it) what is a good amp that would go along with the UberFrost and the HD 650's? Right now I am just using a FiiO E09k, which provides plenty of power to drive the HD 650's, but as most know it is a "cheaper" (price-wise) amp. And as I stated in an earlier post about other components, I haven't had the opportunity to test out or try any different amps to see any differences between certain amps. What do you and the other experts here at Head-fi reccomend as far as a good amp to complement a set-up consisting of the UberFrost DAC -> to amp -> to HD 650's? I wouldn't mind trying out a tube amp like the HiFiMan EF5 Vaccuum Tube amp here http://www.crutchfield.com/p_818EF5/HiFiMAN-EF5.html?tp=60845&

But I do not know if that amp would be a good compliment to this setup as I have no experience with any amps besides the FiiO E09k. And also it is going to take me some time to get close to $1000 to be able to purchase the Uberfrost and the HiFiMan EF5. Can anyone suggest a great amp, tube or otherwise that would be a great match for this setup?

Thank you all again for your continued expert advice, Head-fi is the best with the best people and members! I appreciate you all!
post #13843 of 36851
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Bottlehead Crack is a great amp for the HD650. I use mine with a Schiit Asgard and its also pretty good, though not as dynamic as the Crack. I've heard good things about the Schiit Lyr too.

I have also heard a lot of good things about the Bottlehead Crack from the experts here for the HD 650's, and am considering it. The problem I have is that I have no experience in building an amp and no experience in soldering. I wrote Bottlehead via e-mail and asked them if they could assemble it for me for a fee, but I never received a response. If they would assemble it for me for a fee then it would probably be at the top of my list.

post #13844 of 36851
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Originally Posted by CaptTripz View Post

Totally new to this hobby and by no means an audiophile, but I've been stalking this site and learning lots. Today I went by the local home theater shop and had the chance to demo the 650s and wow! I was blown away. Very tempted to come home with them.... But way out of the budget currently... frown.gif I am thinking of picking up a pair of 598s soon though as they are more within my current budget unless someone convinces me its worth it to wait and keep saving up for the 650s instead.

I currently have a pair of PX100s and a Fiio e17. Listen to all kinds of genres and primary use would be for home office use while working.

 

I'd save your money or go for a used pair of hd650, if I were in your position.

 

Welcome to headfi!!

post #13845 of 36851
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

I'd save your money or go for a used pair of hd650, if I were in your position.

 

Welcome to headfi!!

+1 on the Hd 650's and I am proud to say welcome to Head-fi!

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