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Hello head-fiers! I've finally come into a pair of HD650s after several months of trading and buying/selling. I've had the upper level Senns on my radar for a while, but I've been biding my time, looking to trade instead of purchase. After a sweet overseas trade, I've been listening to the silver-driver 650s for several days now and the detail and soundstage are incredible. I prefer a slightly warm signature and these certainly fit the bill.

 

I've been running them out of a Dragonfly/MBP and my next search is probably going to be for an entry-level tube amp. I've been looking at the LD MK 1+ or some of the Elekit amps. Anyone have a suggestion for something similar in the sub $300 range?

 

And just for the sake of thoroughness, I've got a DIY all silver HD650 cable that should arrive today! Looking forward to that!

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does anyone know where in Canada I can actually audition these headphones? I live in ottawa, sometimes I visit Toronto/Montreal. I don't want to splurge before actually trying these.. thanks in advance.

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What amplifier would offer a noticeable upgrade, but without spending too much cash.

If a HD650 owner were using a Win PC playing FLAC files, using Foobar2000 and currently using a Modi/Magni combo.

What would be a noticeable headphone amplifier upgrade (more vocals) over the current Magni headphone amplifier?

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Originally Posted by JoeDoe View Post
 

Hello head-fiers! I've finally come into a pair of HD650s after several months of trading and buying/selling. I've had the upper level Senns on my radar for a while, but I've been biding my time, looking to trade instead of purchase. After a sweet overseas trade, I've been listening to the silver-driver 650s for several days now and the detail and soundstage are incredible. I prefer a slightly warm signature and these certainly fit the bill.

 

I've been running them out of a Dragonfly/MBP and my next search is probably going to be for an entry-level tube amp. I've been looking at the LD MK 1+ or some of the Elekit amps. Anyone have a suggestion for something similar in the sub $300 range?

 

And just for the sake of thoroughness, I've got a DIY all silver HD650 cable that should arrive today! Looking forward to that!

For that money I think you are on the right track with the Little Dot, if you are willing to go used you could probably find a MkIII for that amount of money and If you are electronically gifted, you could pick up a Bottlehead kit for that amount of money too.

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You'll like them a lot! They have the ability to sound like $1000 headphones with the proper setup. :)

Yes idd :) Was also listening to the hd 600 in store and such amazing sound it have!

I have the little dot mk3 and asus essence stx dac wich im using along with my q701, wich imo is in about the same level of quality :) Altho I think I like the not so harsh highs and the deeper bass hd650 have :P Although both of the phones is amazing.

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If you ever come to Halifax, let me know! I'll let you try them on for size.
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I remember listening to the HD650's on the WA2 (An excellent tube amp for what it is) and them moving and listening to them on the Triple Stack. My gosh. Balanced through my Whiplash TWag. Oh, the audio nirvana. 

 

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Originally Posted by jscivias View Post
 

does anyone know where in Canada I can actually audition these headphones? I live in ottawa, sometimes I visit Toronto/Montreal. I don't want to splurge before actually trying these.. thanks in advance.

 

you and check 

http://baybloorradio.com/

 

if you ever in downtown toronto

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Originally Posted by gabsonuro View Post

I'm using a 650 with an stx and it sounds great
If you like the sound using an Stx wait till you get an external amp of reasonable quality. You will enjoy the hd650 even more. I'm not knocking the Stx I have one and constantly use it for gaming. For music though I use an external tube amp and external dac the Stx is used just strictly for a transport. I went to an audio meet last week and took my senns to try out different amps. I was blown away by how different they can sound on different setups. Really liked the senns on the SS amp lehmann black cube. Also the wa6SE great synergy.
Edited by foreign - 9/28/13 at 10:29pm
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I wrote my reflections a couple of days ago about the performance of HD650 and my general dissatisfaction with it's ablity to play classical music. I did a little experiment since my last post taking out the drivers from the metal housings of the HD650 and putting them into the HD580 housings (plastic?). Everything else being same the sound opened up incredibly. The sound is brighter but still smooth. Acoustic instruments have the right timbre and the female vocals are open and natural. I will continue this testing. Nevertheless the "dark" sound of HD650 seems to come from the housing, a "problem" that unfortunatelly cannot be dealt with by using "better" amplifier, "brighter" cables etc. I will come back with more impressions.


Edited by muxamed - 9/29/13 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by jscivias View Post

does anyone know where in Canada I can actually audition these headphones? I live in ottawa, sometimes I visit Toronto/Montreal. I don't want to splurge before actually trying these.. thanks in advance.

Steve's Music, maybe?
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post

I wrote my reflections a couple of days ago about the performance of HD650 and my general dissatisfaction with it's ablity to play classical music. I did a little experiment since my last post taking out the drivers from the metal housings of the HD650 and putting them into the HD580 housings (plastic?). Everything else being same the sound opened up incredibly. The sound is brighter but still smooth. Acoustic instruments have the right timbre and the female vocals are open and natural. I will continue this testing. Nevertheless the "dark" sound of HD650 seems to come from the housing, a "problem" that unfortunatelly cannot be dealt with by using "better" amplifier, "brighter" cables etc. I will come back with more impressions.
By nature the hd650 is a little warmer you either love it or hate it. I really enjoy these cans in fact they are one of my favourites aswell as the hd700. I heard the hd800 but only listened to jazz through them for about 10 mins so I didn't get to give them a fair go. It was also thru an SS amp in which I normally listen to tubes.
Edited by foreign - 9/29/13 at 5:21am
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By nature the hd650 is a little warmer you either love it or hate it. I really enjoy these cans in fact they are one of my favourites aswell as the hd700. I heard the hd800 but only listened to jazz through them for about 10 mins so I didn't get to give them a fair go. It was also thru an SS amp in which I normally listen to tubes.

 

Hi. It's not only the warmth of this headphone that is the issue with my lack of enjoyment of classical music on them. They are not less warm after my mod either. It is the general lack of attack and naturality of the acoustic instruments (strings, brass, whatever) that is my problem. It is hard to enjoy a classical orchestral or chamber piece with the sound characteristics like that. After my mod I can clearly "hear" the size of the room where the musicians sit and I can clearly hear the attack of the first violins. Before the mod the violins were there but "muffled". Now the sound has some nice airiness which wasn't present before. 

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Originally Posted by foreign View Post


By nature the hd650 is a little warmer you either love it or hate it. I really enjoy these cans in fact they are one of my favourites aswell as the hd700. I heard the hd800 but only listened to jazz through them for about 10 mins so I didn't get to give them a fair go. It was also thru an SS amp in which I normally listen to tubes.

 

Hi. It's not only the warmth of this headphone that is the issue with my lack of enjoyment of classical music on them. They are not less warm after my mod either. It is the general lack of attack and naturality of the acoustic instruments (strings, brass, whatever) that is my problem. It is hard to enjoy a classical orchestral or chamber piece with the sound characteristics like that. After my mod I can clearly "hear" the size of the room where the musicians sit and I can clearly hear the attack of the first violins. Before the mod the violins were there but "muffled". Now the sound has some nice airiness which wasn't present before. 

I don't agree that you can't fix HD650 sound quality problems by replacing the amp. The problem is that they sound great with some amps only. I heard my now sold pair with many different amps and the only good match I heard are Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1, Woo Audio WA7 . I didn't try them with Lyr or Crack but I tried HD700 so I agree that they are good match for HD650 too , you just need to find tubes which will give you sound you are looking for.
I don't want to start off topic discussion but but by trying 5 different USB cables I found that with 2 of them HD650 had no sparkle on highs, third one gave just a little bit of sparkle and finally only last 2 finally gave me what I was looking for so I just got cheapest of the 2 since there was no difference at all between them. I'm just reporting my own experience while perfectly aware that most people here don't believe in it.
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Originally Posted by muxamed View Post
 

I wrote my reflections a couple of days ago about the performance of HD650 and my general dissatisfaction with it's ablity to play classical music. I did a little experiment since my last post taking out the drivers from the metal housings of the HD650 and putting them into the HD580 housings (plastic?). Everything else being same the sound opened up incredibly. The sound is brighter but still smooth. Acoustic instruments have the right timbre and the female vocals are open and natural. I will continue this testing. Nevertheless the "dark" sound of HD650 seems to come from the housing, a "problem" that unfortunatelly cannot be dealt with by using "better" amplifier, "brighter" cables etc. I will come back with more impressions.

 

I had to do something like this to my HD-600 to be able to like it. I've always preferred the 580 to the 600.

 

For the HD-650 you can get a similar result by placing a small piece of creatology foam across the round center vent hole. You can sort of tune the sound by making this piece smaller or larger.

 

Basically this just limits the air flow and air still gets in. Don't cover anything but the center hole.

 

My HD-650 doesn't sound dark and has a good soundstage so I've never felt the need to modify it.

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