They have no veil and i have the dt 48 e 200 ohm model and they do a good job at balanceing timbres from what i read and it makes the timbres sound like they have no veil.
You ought to try out a dt 48 sometime but it has no eq.
It seems that the older version (pre-2007 or 8?) was the source of the terms "veil" and "bassy." My new unit is much less so, perhaps not at all. Bass hangover is almost gone. I had both in the house on the same cable(s) for comparison and was very pleased with the change. (I use a Cardas cable but the stock one was only a little warmer and softer.) Maybe it is time to put the "veil" term to bed. OTOH, many headphones are rather excessive on upper-mid detail (and sibilance in some cases), so by comparison I could see someone "criticizing" the 650s.
I got my 650's in today and they sounded great right out the box. Honestly I didn't think they sounded bad straight from my ipod. For sure they are not loud with the ipod but I don't hear that "veil" everybody says sennheiser has. So far i've only burned them in for 4 hours but I love them. I will for sure get a amp in a couple of months though. Overall glad I ordered them.
My first pair of the high-end side of headphones and I must say, I wasn't a fan of the Sennheiser sound, I was a Grado fan. But after getting my HD650 cheap from Hong Kong, I am impressed. Never got sick of it one bit. Runs well with any music you give it. I adore the soundstage and the lows the most! Definately worth getting
how do the 650 compare to ultrasone 900?
am i missing out on this iconic phone? i just had some unpleasant sennxperience in past and never gave another try........ everyone loves this phone, what are its weaknessess???
Pull out the phones to maximum length then bend the metal bands as required (not the plastic headband!)
I got my HD650 two or three days ago. They have around 50 hours of burn in. As some people explains in this thread, I must say I was surprised with the differences between what I expected and what I got:
Jazz and Grado probably play well together, but I clearly prefer my new HD650 for this: now I can follow basses easily and hit-hats don't dominate too much the scene as happened before.
I tried them with my Audio-GD Compass, Gamma1 DAC and the headphone out of a Cambridge Audio 540R. They are a lovely pair of headphones and all I expect is that things will get even better after proper burn in.
I never thought I could be so happy getting something so far away from my expectations :)