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A quality aftermarket cable provides clarity and detail. It really takes the headphones to the next level, IMO. A huge Thanks for the recommendation

Really? Which high quality cable are you talking about? Done any ABx tests?

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Really? Which high quality cable are you talking about? Done any ABx tests?


My friend. Please don't go there. deadhorse.gif

 

Let's all keep loving the HD 650 here biggrin.gif

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My friend. Please don't go there. deadhorse.gif

 

Let's all keep loving the HD 650 here biggrin.gif

OK biggrin.gif I'll keep it for the sound science thread. It wasn't me who started though. tongue.gif

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Really? Which high quality cable are you talking about? Done any ABx tests?
After extensive A/B testing, is it a huge difference? No, but I do hear more air around the instruments, and the top end seems more pronounced. Maybe not a big difference, but there is one. Then again, I'm quite far from an expert. Auric Cable- Charleston Cable Company. I'd also tell you if I prefer the stock cable, or if the aftermarket cable did nothing for me, neither of which are true here, but both are possibilities I consider. Just searching for the best sound...
Edited by Zuckfun - 6/23/13 at 12:55am
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Maybe she looked up the price?

 

I kinda like the humor of this one ;-)

 

@ eimis:

 

They surely are (serious headphones), and you're lucky your girlfriend hears it straightaway.  It's fairly common that ("non head-fier") people don't find the HD650 particularly good, let alone if you tell them the price of these.  The worst thing you could be told being, of course, that they are as expensive as a nice pair of Beats ...

 

So, you've got an audiophile girlfriend, congratulations on both the headphones and her audio tastes :)

Thanks mate. smily_headphones1.gif

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To muxamed: 

Discussing your questions is a huge topic, for a different forum.

I'm too busy watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans and rooting for old acquaintance Tom Kristensen (about to win his 9th Le Mans). 

 

 

Yes there is some theory to support some of what the cables do differently. But theory lags and explains experimental results, as much science does (despite what theoreticians might feel; I'm an experimental acoustician).

 

I won't discuss cables here (ABX drawbacks, or lumped parameters, or reductionist fallacies, or logical fallacies, or intermetallics, or crystal grain boundaries, or RFI susceptibility, or termination improvements, or dielectric absorption; you can read about any and all of these on your own).  

 

But, I was around near the beginnings of AudioQuest and Cardas, so I've absorbed enough to know that there are answers, but it is a black hole you are asking us to enter.  The science isn't the problem; it is the mindset in which the science is dismissed.  

 

 

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To Stoney:

 

This topic has been discussed a lot on the Sound Science part of this forum. You are welcome to join the conversations there.

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Originally Posted by j0val View Post

Would anyone here consider going to grado ps500's from hd650's?

Reason i ask is because I have hd650's (which I really like), have had grados sr80/225i (which I liked except for the highs), and am wondering if anyone would consider the swap as an "upgrade".

I understand they are different sound signatures, but I'm genuinely curious to hear what others think.

 

I haven't personally auditioned the PS500s, but I own the HF2s.  Most believe that the HF2s are the predecessor to the PS500s, including myself, at least in terms of construction style.

 

I wouldn't call the HD650s superior, or inferior to the HF2s, unless you are judging them based on what parts of the sound spectrum you are most interested in.  In terms of mids and vocals, I give the edge to the HD650s.  And in terms of bass and treble accuracy, I give the edge to the Grados.  HD650s are more mellow and relaxing.  HF2s are more engaging and lively.

 

HD650s can sit on your head 2 to 3 times longer based on comfort.  The L-Cush ear pads are just pure torture, but I dare not change them because I don't want to change the sound signature of my HF2s one bit.  If something ever happened to my HF2s, I would immediately try and get the PS500s.  The two headphone really compliment each other quite well.  Between both them, I'm almost 100% satisfied that all my music moods are satisfied...


Edited by ButtUglyJeff - 6/23/13 at 5:31am
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I haven't personally auditioned the PS500s, but I own the HF2s.  Most believe that the HF2s are the predecessor to the PS500s, including myself, at least in terms of construction style.

I wouldn't call the HD650s superior, or inferior to the HF2s, unless you are judging them based on what parts of the sound spectrum you are most interested in.  In terms of mids and vocals, I give the edge to the HD650s.  And in terms of bass and treble accuracy, I give the edge to the Grados.  HD650s are more mellow and relaxing.  HF2s are more engaging and lively.

HD650s can sit on your head 2 to 3 times longer based on comfort.  The L-Cush ear pads are just pure torture, but I dare not change them because I don't want to change the sound signature of my HF2s one bit.  If something ever happened to my HF2s, I would immediately try and get the PS500s.  The two headphone really compliment each other quite well.  Between both them, I'm almost 100% satisfied that all my music moods are satisfied...

Thanks for the detailed response (and to those who responded as well).

Just a couple questions: How would you compare them in terms of soundstage? Are the HF2's fatiguing in anyway?
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Thanks for the detailed response (and to those who responded as well).

Just a couple questions: How would you compare them in terms of soundstage? Are the HF2's fatiguing in anyway?

 

 

I would give a soundstage advantage to the HF2s, but both are quite respectable.

 

Now fatiguing in terms of audio?  I have read many criticisms of Grados having a fatiguing quality of their sound, but I have never experienced it.  I tend to think you wouldn't either, seeing as you are enjoying your 225s.  But in terms of physically fatiguing, yes Grados with the L-Cush ear pad is definitely wearing on your ears, and you will most likely need to take them off more for breaks.  There are two common ear pad replacements being used:  Switching to the larger G-Cush, but that takes your ears a bit further from the drivers, and you begin sacrificing bass quality, and that's not good.  Or you can try the Sennheiser HD414 pads, but those cover the driver, and you might begin to hear a more "veiled" sound.

 

I may still give both of these ear pads a shot, but Head-Fi has scarred me from even trying....lol

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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post


I would give a soundstage advantage to the HF2s, but both are quite respectable.

Now fatiguing in terms of audio?  I have read many criticisms of Grados having a fatiguing quality of their sound, but I have never experienced it.  I tend to think you wouldn't either, seeing as you are enjoying your 225s.  But in terms of physically fatiguing, yes Grados with the L-Cush ear pad is definitely wearing on your ears, and you will most likely need to take them off more for breaks.  There are two common ear pad replacements being used:  Switching to the larger G-Cush, but that takes your ears a bit further from the drivers, and you begin sacrificing bass quality, and that's not good.  Or you can try the Sennheiser HD414 pads, but those cover the driver, and you might begin to hear a more "veiled" sound.

I may still give both of these ear pads a shot, but Head-Fi has scarred me from even trying....lol

Appreciate the response. Personally, I didn't mind the slight discomfort from the grados. The hd650s are definitely easier to wear for extended listening, but pretty damn big.

I actually sold my 225i for the hd650s, which I do not regret at all. To me, the 225i was a bit too harsh at louder volume for my preference. The hd650s are very smooth and generally warm sounding. I've read that the ps500's aren't as bright as any of the models below it in rank.

I guess I'm just starting to get that itch again.
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Originally Posted by j0val View Post


Appreciate the response. Personally, I didn't mind the slight discomfort from the grados. The hd650s are definitely easier to wear for extended listening, but pretty damn big.

I actually sold my 225i for the hd650s, which I do not regret at all. To me, the 225i was a bit too harsh at louder volume for my preference. The hd650s are very smooth and generally warm sounding. I've read that the ps500's aren't as bright as any of the models below it in rank.

I guess I'm just starting to get that itch again.


I also sold my Grado 225 after I heard the HD650. I grew so tired of the 225's harsh treble that I couldn't tame.

 

Have you heard the HE500? It's different enough to be a nice compliment to the HD650, IMO.

 

Of course, YMMV.

 

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Originally Posted by j0val View Post


Appreciate the response. Personally, I didn't mind the slight discomfort from the grados. The hd650s are definitely easier to wear for extended listening, but pretty damn big.

I actually sold my 225i for the hd650s, which I do not regret at all. To me, the 225i was a bit too harsh at louder volume for my preference. The hd650s are very smooth and generally warm sounding. I've read that the ps500's aren't as bright as any of the models below it in rank.

I guess I'm just starting to get that itch again.

 

Grado refers to the PS500, as having a "hybrid air chamber", and the HF2s were also produced with this.  I believe they are referring to the mahogany interior, and aluminum exterior, of the shell for the drivers.  That is where the superior bass response comes from, in my humble opinion.

 

I auditioned the 325is a while back, and was totally dissatisfied with the listening experience, because it was totally lacking in the bass I tend to crave...

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That's some really polite headphones you've got there, complimenting each other ! biggrin.gif

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That's some really polite headphones you've got there, complimenting each other ! biggrin.gif

 

Yes they do.  Actually, all my info come from be listening in on them...

 

HD650 "Oh HF2, I'm so jealous of your bass definition..."

HF2 "Oh don't be, I wish I had your mids..."

HD650 "Thanks, but you shouldn't.  I wish I had your treble..."

HF2 "But your vocals....... My vocals just stink..."

HD650 "Your vocals don't stink..."

 

HD650 and HF2 hugs...

 

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